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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by SpeedOfSound » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:04 am

Feck wrote:Before all this blew up we had decided that we didn't much care for chew toys but WTF sometimes it is nice to feel superior.
Interesting thing is that the chew toys drive my thinking and they drive a thread. I have posted numerous pieces on the science of conscious and they kind of fizzle. Get a good CosmoCon on the thread and it's like lightning.

But it's more than just slamming the guys way of thinking. The way they think elucidates the very origin of religion and other silly ideas. That's why losing the historical record of RDF almost killed me. It's a very valuable resource for epistemology.
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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by Paul Almond » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:18 am

I know what you mean with that. A while back, on the old forum, someone was making the most absurd statements to support William Lane Craig's Kalam Cosmological Argument. I had been meaning to deal with this properly for some time, but the frustration of dealing with this poster prompted me to get round to writing a complete article on it.

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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by sifaka » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:36 am

I've signed over there, but I'll keep posting here. You guys have been wonderful .
Thank you. :hugs:

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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by Xeno » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:27 am

I have signed up as well. Still investigating. I have Ratz and RS at my fingbrowsertips, where RDF used to be.
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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:28 am

sifaka wrote:I've signed over there, but I'll keep posting here. You guys have been wonderful .
Thank you. :hugs:
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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by tnjrp » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:51 am

I'm also very thankful for the opportunity Ratz provided for me to get information on what went down during the so-called "Night of the Long Knives" at RDF
:td: :flowers:

But other than that, I wasn't really planning on becoming a regular here... So when the time came that corpses have been tagged and bagged I probably wouldn't have been coming around much anyhow.

With this tiresome, pompous and entirely needless preamble done, I'll follow up with a tiresome, pompous and needless postamble (is that a word?) and hereby let you'all know that I'll be shortly waltzing onto the new forum mentioned in the OP to see if it proves as addicitive as RDF did (hope not tho!).

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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by kazzaqld » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:58 am

I think I'm spread thinly enough across different fora now! :(

I really like it here - it seems to have a nice vibe, so hopefully people will post at both places. :mrgreen:
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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:01 am

kazzaqld wrote:I think I'm spread thinly enough across different fora now! :(

I really like it here - it seems to have a nice vibe, so hopefully people will post at both places. :mrgreen:
Glad you like our vibe. Some find they prefer it if they twist the base. Apparently it gets faster... or something. :shifty:
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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by kazzaqld » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:18 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
kazzaqld wrote:I think I'm spread thinly enough across different fora now! :(

I really like it here - it seems to have a nice vibe, so hopefully people will post at both places. :mrgreen:
Glad you like our vibe. Some find they prefer it if they twist the base. Apparently it gets faster... or something. :shifty:
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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by Galaxian » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:01 pm

HughMcB wrote:...One of our wonderful friends, Life, has set up an alternative forum for all of us blow ins to go and get some perspective on things (if only as a temporary measure). People here at Rationalia have been beyond wonderful to us, I really don't have enough words (or time) to fully convey our deepest gratitude to letting such an unruly mob as us infest your quiet little part of the interwebz and kick up such a fuss.
It really is such an awesome reflection of character that you have welcomed so many strangers (along with old friends) so unselfishly into your humble home. I for one can say that I will remain frequenting this abode as I find it a joy to take part in with so many wonderful individuals.
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http://www.rationalskepticism.org/index.php
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All newcomers, oldcomers, latecomers and prematurecomers are welcome.
Hi Hugh. I visited rationalskepticism.org , and am mightily impressed; you'd think its RDF...even including the tiny avatars. But does the search engine work? :hilarious:
The avatar size at rationalia is much better, as is the forum name. I'm hoping to make my avatar fill the entire page! Maybe I can post it repeatedly?
Anyway, I might join and begin wasting time on 2 forums! :biggrin:

On another topic: RDF wants to vet posts. There are other sites that do that...and boy, do they suck! There's no dynamism & speed to their debates. Here's one, vetted site, that I contributed to, simply because there's a Josh defender called 'askegg' slagging off RDF complainers as "incredibly childish", and blaming them for the vile destruction of thousands of posts.
Galaxian wrote: "Hi everyone. I've been a member of RDF since within weeks of its inception in 2006.
There's a lot of disinformation being bandied about, perhaps accidentally or some on purpose. From the user's POV, the functionality was OK for almost 3 years. But in mid July 2009, for no reason I can fathom, the search engine was disabled without warning. Since then I haven't been able to download page-assemblies of only my posts (any page I download has other people's posts in it as well).
It was repeatedly promised that this was a temporary glitch, & that Google would meet all our needs. But that's rubbish. It indicates the level of amateurishness or deception that pervaded the IT department at RDF. The search engine has not worked since then.
Then a few days ago the forum was shut down and several members' thousands of posts deleted without warning, & without the courtesy of allowing them to download their contributions. This is directly analogous to book-burning. To the best of my knowledge, what 'askegg' has written is not true. The quotes that Richard has brandished in his diatribe were due to livid anger AFTER the vandalism done to some members' records. Those colorful reactions were, in my opinion, well deserved for the infamy of the acts that elicited them. Furthermore, those quote are not from RDF, but from other places on the net after RDF was already closed down & records destroyed. They have been carefully gleaned by RDF to use as a disinformation exercise.
Richard Dawkins is entitled to steer his website in whatever direction he wants. But he is NOT entitled to destroy web archives, or agree to their destruction, without first having the common courtesy of allowing their owners the chance to download them. I don't care what the lawyers might have advised RD.net; it is natural justice that the contributors, who freely made RDF what it was, are the ultimate owners of the knowledge that they produced.
There are other forums/sites, far far larger, which have no problems running. Before July 2009 I didn't notice any major inconvenience. The arbitrary and capricious events, often keeping even the mods out of the loop, smack to me of some other agenda that we are not privy to. The disgust of thousands of members who have now joined other sites is not "incredibly childish" as askegg alleges. It is a rational reaction to devious behavior & abominable treatment. Askegg should pull his fingers out of his ears (his avatar), and visit this site (among several) which elucidates what has happened: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=75
You'll be pleased to know that at rationalia.com we've also put links & encouragement to your site here: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 88#p362488
There is some good in the suicide of RDF; Many atheist forums, such as this, will now grow, out from under the shadow of 1 man's forum."
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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by Wiðercora » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:36 pm

I wonder if that's the same askegg on YouTube :ask:
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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by Made Of Stars » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:49 pm

Galaxian wrote:Here's one, vetted site, that I contributed to, simply because there's a Josh defender called 'askegg' slagging off RDF complainers as "incredibly childish", and blaming them for the vile destruction of thousands of posts.
Nice work Galaxian.

That'd be the same askegg, friend of Andrew Chalkley, who got schooled by darwinsbulldog, myself, and others on the AFA forum. A sample:

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/for ... tcount=130

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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by klr » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:54 pm

Made Of Stars wrote:
Galaxian wrote:Here's one, vetted site, that I contributed to, simply because there's a Josh defender called 'askegg' slagging off RDF complainers as "incredibly childish", and blaming them for the vile destruction of thousands of posts.
Nice work Galaxian.

That'd be the same askegg, friend of Andrew Chalkley, who got schooled by darwinsbulldog, myself, and others on the AFA forum. A sample:

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/for ... tcount=130
So after chalkers nuked mazille, DB (quite rightly IMHO) banned chalkers' IP address? And then DB himself got nuked after Topsy unbanned the IP address.

Wow. :shock:
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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by Jack Rawlinson » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:26 pm

Alright, I've twice tried to register and I don't get sent the confirmation email. Guess I'm staying here... :dono:

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Re: A new home for refugees...

Post by Flora » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:41 pm

klr wrote:
Made Of Stars wrote:
Galaxian wrote:Here's one, vetted site, that I contributed to, simply because there's a Josh defender called 'askegg' slagging off RDF complainers as "incredibly childish", and blaming them for the vile destruction of thousands of posts.
Nice work Galaxian.

That'd be the same askegg, friend of Andrew Chalkley, who got schooled by darwinsbulldog, myself, and others on the AFA forum. A sample:

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/for ... tcount=130
So after chalkers nuked mazille, DB (quite rightly IMHO) banned chalkers' IP address? And then DB himself got nuked after Topsy unbanned the IP address.

Wow. :shock:
Chalkers deleted Mazille ( a science moderator) and all of his posts because he made some critical comments on the front page after the forum was locked. He could have just deleted the comments (or even better, directed people to a place where they could make them).

DB was so incensed by Chalker's deletion of all Mazille's posts, he banned him but I reinstated him very quickly as I didn't think it was helpful to anyone to do that (although I understood the frustration).

Chalkers then deleted DB and all of his posts. He could have just banned him for abuse of staff permissions and left all of his posts intact.

Chalkers then deleted DB and all his posts. He could have just demoted him from being a moderator or even banned him.

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