New Star Trek film looks incredible!

[Martok]

Heh, I've yet to see the movie. It's the first Trek film I've missed seeing in the theater since Star Trek V.

Actually I hated the film. it has an incredible look, but the story sucks big time. And the characters are not Star Trek. it would be fine if it was any other movie, without the Star Trek logo on it.

That's not good.

[eXcommunicate]

Heh, I've yet to see the movie. It's the first Trek film I've missed seeing in the theater since Star Trek V.

Actually I hated the film. it has an incredible look, but the story sucks big time. And the characters are not Star Trek. it would be fine if it was any other movie, without the Star Trek logo on it.

I disagree. It was the most like the original series, since the original series went off the air. When people say things like what you just said, I wonder what they think "star trek" is... because Star Trek has always had lots of goofy action, implausible story lines, and hammy acting. In my opinion this was one of the best casts, acting-wise; so maybe it isn't Star Trek to you because the acting wasn't bad? Maybe "time travel" isn't "Trek" to you? I don't get it. Did the actors not convey their characters well enough?

[Elessarina]

Actually I hated the film. it has an incredible look, but the story sucks big time. And the characters are not Star Trek. it would be fine if it was any other movie, without the Star Trek logo on it.

I think many epople look at TOS through rose tinted glasses sometimes... do you recall the fight with Gorn? Do you remember Spock's Brain? Are you aware that Trek canon changed constanntly? Did you complain when Klingons changed from just looking dark skinned/ haired to having ridged heads?

[Darkchilde]

I am not talking about those things Elessarina. I have watched all Star Trek incarnations, from TOS to Enterprise.

The actual Spock would never throw anyone off the ship; might put them in the brig, but not the way it was done in the movie. I hated that they destroyed Vulcan; that was a really big mistake. They used time travel just to trash everything Star Trek is. Kirk acted more like a bully than anything else at times, Scottie was more of a caricature... It was the characters that were badly written, totally out of character.

Time travel is very tricky to do; and they used it really badly in the movie. Of the time travel episodes, I remember Time's Arrow, a double TNG episode which was excellently made. Or the movie First Contact; there are other examples of good time travel in Star Trek.

No, the new movie did not feel like Star Trek. It only had the name, but it was not Star Trek.

[Elessarina]

No, the new movie did not feel like Star Trek. It only had the name, but it was not Star Trek.

It got Leonard Nimoy's endorsement that's good enough for me..

[Martok]

Did you complain when Klingons changed from just looking dark skinned/ haired to having ridged heads?

I know I did. Then I changed my mind once I got into the Worf character in TNG. Later in DS9 I got to like general/chancellor Martok.

[pcCoder]

One of my favorites of the original series was Mirror Mirror. I like The Next Generation as well but I like Voyager better than The Next Generation. I don't know about Deep Space Nine or Babalon 5. I did like the new one as well, and from what I hear they are already making another one for 2011.

[eXcommunicate]

I am not talking about those things Elessarina. I have watched all Star Trek incarnations, from TOS to Enterprise.

The actual Spock would never throw anyone off the ship; might put them in the brig, but not the way it was done in the movie. I hated that they destroyed Vulcan; that was a really big mistake. They used time travel just to trash everything Star Trek is. Kirk acted more like a bully than anything else at times, Scottie was more of a caricature... It was the characters that were badly written, totally out of character.

I disagree. These are younger versions of themselves (by about 10 years or so). They have about a decade to mature into the characterizations you know from TOS. Plus, the TOS movies weren't above caricaturing their own characters -- remember Uhura dancing in STV? Remember the goofball comedy from STIV?

About destroying Vulcan, I had no problem with it. I just hope it is explored at least a little bit in future movies. What it did dramatically for the movie outweighed any nostalgia for the place. Vulcans were always assholes anyway.

Time travel is very tricky to do; and they used it really badly in the movie. Of the time travel episodes, I remember Time's Arrow, a double TNG episode which was excellently made. Or the movie First Contact; there are other examples of good time travel in Star Trek.

I don't think the time travel was half-bad in the movie. I liked how the Narada came back through time and ended up in a different time than Future Spock's ship.

No, the new movie did not feel like Star Trek. It only had the name, but it was not Star Trek.

Meh, we'll have to agree to disagree. It didn't feel any "less" like Star Trek to me than any of the previous 10 flicks. No offense, but I think you just have a narrow view of what Star Trek is and should be. Many fans said DS9 "wasn't the star Trek they knew!" Same with TNG when it debuted.

Did you complain when Klingons changed from just looking dark skinned/ haired to having ridged heads?

I know I did. Then I changed my mind once I got into the Worf character in TNG. Later in DS9 I got to like general/chancellor Martok.

Hehe, we can see that (avatar). Martok rocked.

[Ameri Boi]

Heh, I've yet to see the movie. It's the first Trek film I've missed seeing in the theater since Star Trek V.

Actually I hated the film. it has an incredible look, but the story sucks big time. And the characters are not Star Trek. it would be fine if it was any other movie, without the Star Trek logo on it.

I disagree. It was the most like the original series, since the original series went off the air. When people say things like what you just said, I wonder what they think "star trek" is... because Star Trek has always had lots of goofy action, implausible story lines, and hammy acting. In my opinion this was one of the best casts, acting-wise; so maybe it isn't Star Trek to you because the acting wasn't bad? Maybe "time travel" isn't "Trek" to you? I don't get it. Did the actors not convey their characters well enough?

It isn't logical my dear sir, were you simply a fan of the Original series? In Star Trek Voyager and Star Trek Enterprise, we gather much data regarding the time travel capacity of the federation, most notably in the 29th Century. The Timeship Relativity for example, held an ongoing mission of protecting the timeline from unauthorized incursions that cause disruption or outright wipes of the timeline they reside in. Hence, if a Romulan managed to go back in time with his bloody mining ship, on a quest to kill Spock(although not entirely an action that goes against the timeline), and seeking to destroy various worlds, kill people whom weren't going to die otherwise(Jim Kirk's father) and succeeding in the destruction of Vulcan(I mean....seriously? wtf will the Romulans attempt to take over when Picard goes to Romulus to retrieve ambassador Spock{younger spock}?) it would have been prevented by Starfleet Command under the guidelines of the Temporal Prime Directive.


I therefore, do not consider the movie part of the Canon

[eXcommunicate]

I therefore, do not consider the movie part of the Canon

Neither do I.

[Elessarina]

I therefore, do not consider the movie part of the Canon

Star Trek "canon" itself often changed espeiclly within TOS.

You also may note that the Picard timeline etc and all the NG characters still exist - the destruction of Vulcan has not eliminated them just created a parallel universe. Geordi built Spock prime's ship - The Jellyfish for example

[Ameri Boi]

I therefore, do not consider the movie part of the Canon

Star Trek "canon" itself often changed espeiclly within TOS.

You also may note that the Picard timeline etc and all the NG characters still exist - the destruction of Vulcan has not eliminated them just created a parallel universe. Geordi built Spock prime's ship - The Jellyfish for example

The picard timeline will exist with a significant shortage of Vulcans(They didn't evacuate everyone off the surface I trust, not to mention the toll rebuilding their civilization will have on the individuals, so as to delay Vulcan service and contribution to the federation)...

To reiterate, it should not have happened in the first place given Starfleet's directive of protecting the timeline. Get off your ass Daniels and fix the fuckin....oh yeah...you're dead...nvm, Braxton, or his first officer whom relieved him will sort out the timeline...I hope

[CookieJon]

And the characters are not Star Trek.

Oh come on! Chris Pine was practically channeling the ghost of Bill Shatner!

[Elessarina]

The picard timeline will exist with a significant shortage of Vulcan

The Picard timeline will exist unchanged

To reiterate, it should not have happened in the first place given Starfleet's directive of protecting the timeline

It wasn't an issue in The Voyage Home

However regardless of that Spock's journey to the past was accidental and could not be helped. Nero was a miner and and was rogue - deciding to get Borg technology and travel back in time ..to seek revenge etc. Although the Romulans aren't part of Starfleet anyway so would not be restricted by Starfleet protocol

[CookieJon]

The picard timeline will exist with a significant shortage of Vulcan

The Picard timeline will exist unchanged

To reiterate, it should not have happened in the first place given Starfleet's directive of protecting the timeline

It wasn't an issue in The Voyage Home

However regardless of that Spock's journey to the past was accidental and could not be helped. Nero was a miner and and was rogue - deciding to get Borg technology and travel back in time ..to seek revenge etc. Although the Romulans aren't part of Starfleet anyway so would not be restricted by Starfleet protocol

Oh if we're going down this path, then can someone please explain to me why it was going to take Voyager 75 years to travel home from the Delta Quadrant, but in Star Trek V it took less than the movie's 2 hour running time for the Enterprise to reach the centre of the Galaxy? Anyone? Huh?