First reaction by Richard Dawkins.

[truthinScience]

I hit the 5000 friends limit on FB a while back -- I have to wait for people to drop out or die to add more.

You could create a fan page if you wish. I don't think there's a limit on them.

[Robert_S]

See here the nub of the matter.

Like fuck did Richard Dawkins write that .

As if he is on here, reading our posts, and then scribbling a poorly-written piece about his 'greatly liked and respected' IT monkey who noone had ever heard of until his towering incompetence brought down a great website overnight, and then posting that piece on that website when noone is around to fucking read it anymore .

But at least we know that incompetent Josh Timonen is.

So fuck you, Josh, you are shit at your job and for the rest of your sad and lonely life whenever a prospective employer googles your name he will be greeted with such a thundering torrent of incompetence and criticism that you won't be able to find work cleaning the toilets in McDonald's.

You are so fucking incompetent Josh, that you even posted that piece under your own admin login before hastily changing it to Richard Dawkins' login. We knew that the two were interchangeable before your demonstration but that just underlines how you manage to combine both deception with complete witlessness. Shame on you for drawing your doubtlessly meagre salary and leeching off one of the world's premier intellectuals.

You can delete the admin logs of your incompetence Josh, but you can't delete your incompetence. And that's the crux of this drama, Josh - you aren't any fucking good at your job and everyone knows it.

Fucking Peter Piper on a Pixie Stick!

Open this linkhttp://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewforum.php?f=60
Click on RDs name on the top.

?????

Lol.

[Ameri Boi]

I'm a "celebrity" now? Heh.

You are to me, I've watched your 2009 AAI talk "Design vs. Chance" countless times. It's come in pretty handy in real life discussions with my father.

[life]

See here the nub of the matter.

Like fuck did Richard Dawkins write that .

As if he is on here, reading our posts, and then scribbling a poorly-written piece about his 'greatly liked and respected' IT monkey who noone had ever heard of until his towering incompetence brought down a great website overnight, and then posting that piece on that website when noone is around to fucking read it anymore .

But at least we know that incompetent Josh Timonen is.

So fuck you, Josh, you are shit at your job and for the rest of your sad and lonely life whenever a prospective employer googles your name he will be greeted with such a thundering torrent of incompetence and criticism that you won't be able to find work cleaning the toilets in McDonald's.

You are so fucking incompetent Josh, that you even posted that piece under your own admin login before hastily changing it to Richard Dawkins' login. We knew that the two were interchangeable before your demonstration but that just underlines how you manage to combine both deception with complete witlessness. Shame on you for drawing your doubtlessly meagre salary and leeching off one of the world's premier intellectuals.

You can delete the admin logs of your incompetence Josh, but you can't delete your incompetence. And that's the crux of this drama, Josh - you aren't any fucking good at your job and everyone knows it.

Fucking Peter Piper on a Pixie Stick!

Open this linkhttp://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewforum.php?f=60
Click on RDs name on the top.

?????

Lol.

It is a bit weird, yes.

But

1) It sounds like Richard.
2) I'm sure he could ask Josh anytime to give him his admin account.



It is curious it says 'admin' on the right but 'Richard Dawkins' on the left, both in red color...

[virphen]

RD was probably made an admin just so he could make that post.

[ED209]

Reading through all the posts, is it verified that Mr. Dawkins was the actual author of his reply? Seemingly, looking at the actions of Chalkers and / or Josh, I'm not sure it would be below their capabilities, or moral for that matter. Just my 2 cents worth, now I'll shut up and go to bed.

I think you can count on it. Would you tolerate it if someone else put words like that in your mouth?

The benefit of the doubt RD still has with me is the question of how much he's been told is the truth.

You'd think, but I'll tell you this. When that comment was originally posted, it was posted by user "admin". When I looked just moments later, the exact same thread was attributed to "Richard Dawkins".

That's admin voodoo magic right there isn't it? What's more likely, Richard Dawkins himself sometimes posts as admin or the admin sometimes posts as Richard dawkins?

'Course the text could still have come from Dawkins. He could have written it with an elegant fountain pen and had his gimp type it up and post it for him. But Dawkins definitely definitely did not sit down and post that message himself

[Crazyfrog]

...And then there's the Calibre of minds that were composing those posts...

Talking of which, anyone know where Cali's gone? I shall miss the train wrecks (and free education with every post) .

I think I saw a few post from Cali on PZ Myers blog today.

He's started his own thread in this very sub-forum ... he's hardly hidden.

Glad to see he's still on form

[klr]

Reading through all the posts, is it verified that Mr. Dawkins was the actual author of his reply? Seemingly, looking at the actions of Chalkers and / or Josh, I'm not sure it would be below their capabilities, or moral for that matter. Just my 2 cents worth, now I'll shut up and go to bed.

I think you can count on it. Would you tolerate it if someone else put words like that in your mouth?

The benefit of the doubt RD still has with me is the question of how much he's been told is the truth.

You'd think, but I'll tell you this. When that comment was originally posted, it was posted by user "admin". When I looked just moments later, the exact same thread was attributed to "Richard Dawkins".

That's admin voodoo magic right there isn't it? What's more likely, Richard Dawkins himself sometimes posts as admin or the admin sometimes posts as Richard dawkins?

'Course the text could still have come from Dawkins. He could have written it with an elegant fountain pen and had his gimp type it up and post it for him. But Dawkins definitely definitely sit down and post that message himself

No bad stuff here. The admin account can in fact change the nominal poster of any given post. I suspect RD gave it to Josh, who posted it.

The one thing that Josh would not do is post something (on his own initiative) in RD's name that RD can easily read ...

[Lozzer]

I'm a "celebrity" now? Heh.

You are to me, I've watched your 2009 AAI talk "Design vs. Chance" countless times. It's come in pretty handy in real life discussions with my father.

That's not something to brag about per Se

[Wiðercora]

Reading through all the posts, is it verified that Mr. Dawkins was the actual author of his reply? Seemingly, looking at the actions of Chalkers and / or Josh, I'm not sure it would be below their capabilities, or moral for that matter. Just my 2 cents worth, now I'll shut up and go to bed.

I think you can count on it. Would you tolerate it if someone else put words like that in your mouth?

The benefit of the doubt RD still has with me is the question of how much he's been told is the truth.

You'd think, but I'll tell you this. When that comment was originally posted, it was posted by user "admin". When I looked just moments later, the exact same thread was attributed to "Richard Dawkins".

I did wonder about that. At first, I thought that there had been two different posts; one by 'admin' the other by Dawkins.

[virphen]

You'd think, but I'll tell you this. When that comment was originally posted, it was posted by user "admin". When I looked just moments later, the exact same thread was attributed to "Richard Dawkins".

That's admin voodoo magic right there isn't it? What's more likely, Richard Dawkins himself sometimes posts as admin or the admin sometimes posts as Richard dawkins?

'Course the text could still have come from Dawkins. He could have written it with an elegant fountain pen and had his gimp type it up and post it for him. But Dawkins definitely definitely did not sit down and post that message himself

Or perhaps RD tried to post it, couldn't because it's all locked down, and PMed it to the admin who did post it, who then made RD an admin so he could do it himself?

Sometimes the simple, no-conspiracy-needed answer is the right one.

[maiforpeace]

This thread is a bit stalkerish, don't you think?

[life]

This thread is a bit stalkerish, don't you think?

[Ilovelucy]

This thread is a bit stalkerish, don't you think?

I know, PZ is following me EVERYWHERE!

[Nickel]

I was on a forum once, for a webcomic of some renown. One day an allegation that the author of this webcomic was a paedophile surfaced and resulted in swift application of the banhammer from the senior admins for anyone involved, even simple witnesses. Eventually a number of mods revolted against this act of internet genocide and we tore the place apart so badly that the mere mention of the incident at the old forum is a bannable offence.

This whole sorry saga with the Dawkins forums looks awful similar. I believe it is the tendency of moderators (In this case, Josh) to degrade their responsibility to the point of abuse. That I've come to expect. I'm amazed to see Professor Dawkins himself chosing a side, though. I thought he'd come in and wave a magic wand and very diplomatically resolve the dispute.

Granted I'm strictly a neutral party, but it's very interesting to see the flowering of irrationality and snap judgements against a supposedly rational and calm type of people. The only ones who are going to benefit are our religious enemies.