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Post by lordpasternack » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:08 pm

FBM wrote::lol: I didn't know that!
Holden talks about it in the book. It's one of the few things I remember. See here: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Catche ... Chapter_22
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Post by Cormac » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:32 pm

FBM wrote:The whole 'stream of consciousness' thing was a good idea, and I tried both Joyce's and Faulkner's attempts at it. It's OK for a few pages, but after that it just gets annoying. I really don't enjoy spending 5 minutes interpreting every other sentence, only to figure out that the story itself isn't very interesting. I can do that with philosophy, but not novels. The Catcher in the Rye was the best attempt at it that I found readable.
Ulysses has the makings of a good short story, or short novel, around the size of A Portrait of the Artist. But it is padded out beyond belief in Ulysses. Good ideas, interesting social observations, interesting historical insights - especially into the millieu of Irish politics at the time. But in the frame of Ulysses - BORING. *(But not as boring as Catcher in the Rye)...
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Post by Trolldor » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:09 am

It is... overrated to say the least.
So many 'classics' are.
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Post by tattuchu » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:25 pm

I think the problem is in unrealistic or at least erroneous expectations once the label "classic" is affixed. You have to accept the book for what it is, not hold it up to some lofty standard, and not expect it to be something it isn't.
Personally I liked the book quite a lot. It spoke to me. And in fact it was one of the few books which were required reading in school (seemed odd to me at the time that a book like this should be required reading- didn't seem like literature to me with a capital "L") that actually went back and reread later for pleasure.
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Post by Trolldor » Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:16 pm

The problem with 'classics' is that they ARE held to a lofty degree by psuedo-intellectuals posing as academics. Their position is obvious because they state 'nobody is ever right, there are only differences of opinion' and yet when you share your opinion it is an 'uneducated and ill-informed' one.
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Post by lofuji » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:52 am

I read Catcher in the Rye as a student, more than 40 years ago, but I haven't read it since, mainly because someone borrowed my copy and never returned it [don't you hate people like that?]. I enjoyed it immensely, but as for the book's merits I'm with George Orwell, who wrote on several occasions that the only objective test of a book's merits is survival. Will it still be regarded as a "masterpiece" in a hundred years time? Going by Lozzer's OP, it's already on the way to being forgotten, except by the generation to whom it meant something. When they're gone, who knows?

One small incident in the book still sticks in my memory: when Holden Caulfield goes to watch a movie at Radio City. The movie was "so corny I couldn't take my eyes off it". I can't think how often that thought has popped into my mind when watching an old movie on the TV.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:56 am

lofuji wrote:I read Catcher in the Rye as a student, more than 40 years ago, but I haven't read it since, mainly because someone borrowed my copy and never returned it [don't you hate people like that?]. I enjoyed it immensely, but as for the book's merits I'm with George Orwell, who wrote on several occasions that the only objective test of a book's merits is survival. Will it still be regarded as a "masterpiece" in a hundred years time? Going by Lozzer's OP, it's already on the way to being forgotten, except by the generation to whom it meant something. When they're gone, who knows?

One small incident in the book still sticks in my memory: when Holden Caulfield goes to watch a movie at Radio City. The movie was "so corny I couldn't take my eyes off it". I can't think how often that thought has popped into my mind when watching an old movie on the TV.

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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:15 pm

Lozzer wrote:There's only one word to describe this entire book--WOW, just wow.

I'm astounded at how this can even be considered a classic, let alone a piece literature at all. Its probably the most tedious trash I've ever had to read. I got all the way to chapter 5. I only read it until that chapter because I expected something to actually happen after the first or second chapter but nothing did. I skipped to the last page, where I found some closure. Turns out, nothing happens at all. Its good to know one isn't being presumptuous.

The narrator is supposed to be 16 years old, this doesn't justify the author implementing the word 'goddamn' in every sentence. Its repetitive as well as irritating. Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn could pull it off, and he did--but not J. D. Salinger. Supposedly, this book is supposed to read with a teenage mentality, well I am a teenager and it has to be said that at 16 I could have wrote a book far better than this.And as boring as my life might be at times, its allot more eventful that the protagonists.

I can't stand overrated books, particularly this one. I've put it where it rightfully belongs (next to the Kite Runner).


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Post by Feck » Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:20 pm

Oh well 91 not shockingly young :( n

Still don't like that book though .
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Post by Lozzer » Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:23 pm

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Post by Mac_Guffin » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:36 pm

It's rare that I find people who don't either hate or love the book. I'm one of the latter.
I thought CITR was a good character study, and at one point in my life, I could relate to Holden.

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Post by redunderthebed » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:16 pm

BUMP!

Got this on reserve at the library i look forward to reading it usually if something is so polarising its worth exploring.
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Post by tattuchu » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:59 pm

redunderthebed wrote:BUMP!

Got this on reserve at the library i look forward to reading it usually if something is so polarising its worth exploring.
It spoke to me in a big way. Still one of my favorites. Just don't go into it with any preconceived notions, red. It may be considered a classic, but it's actually a modest little book.
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Post by redunderthebed » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:42 am

tattuchu wrote: Just don't go into it with any preconceived notions, red. It may be considered a classic, but it's actually a modest little book.
I don't i treat all books the same.

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Re: Catcher in the Rye

Post by tattuchu » Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:46 pm

So what did you think, red? :ask:
People think "queue" is just "q" followed by 4 silent letters.

But those letters are not silent.

They're just waiting their turn.

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