Announcement about RDF Part 2.

[HughMcB]

My inference about Richard was reasoned. Anyone who thinks he doesn't yet know what has happened is being naive. He has since found the time to post on the front page, and all the messages that were sent to him have gone from the outbox to the sent folder.

Have we seen any changes? Well, accounts aren't being deleted any more and I have a feeling that that has come from Richard or the foundation trustees. But anyone who's holding out for a Dawkinsian lone ranger riding to the rescue is in for a long wait.

Unfortunately... I think you're 100% correct buddy...

I agree. If RD wants to divest himself of the forum proper and concentrate on a tightly controlled comments-based environment, that's his prerogative. But the methodology employed ...

If RD had a hand in all this, which I find it very hard to believe he didn't, then to be quite frank it makes him a total fucking hypocrite.

[Wondering Fart]

2. The trouble with homeopathy
Comment #463662 by natselrox on February 24, 2010 at 5:55 pm

Is there a forum or something like that here? It'd be very convenient to discuss issues like these, I think.

There's actually a comment by RD himself from just a week ago that basically says that:

Comment #461572 by Richard Dawkins on February 16, 2010 at 10:59 pm

The conversation between Rtambree and Tyler Durden is a classic example of a a private conversation, which is no doubt of interest to the two protagonists but which really is better suited to an email between the two of you. Or if you think anybody else might be interested in Freud, why not start a Forum thread on the subject?

Richard

Good question Richard. Why not?

Oh I do hope someone ques the good man and fills him in. Obviously he's not aware of the troubles.

[locutus7]

The Front Page posters would rarely deign to visit the Forum. They consider it low-class, or "Lower Third, By gawd." FPE: Front Page Elites.

[klr]

We know from forum staff that Josh has controls over Richard's account. He can 'read' the PMs and delete them as he wishes, Richard has delegated to him that authority. Also, Richard does not have the ability to make front page posts himself; it is more likely that he emails Josh the articles he wants to put up and lets Josh handle the rest. Remember, Richard is away in Australia right now, and even though he always has his laptop, he might be busy planning talks and meetings.

He who controls a leader's access to information and also control other resources always holds a tremendous amount of actual power. Think Martin Bormann, or Stalin before becoming General Secretary ...

[Valden]

The Front Page posters would rarely deign to visit the Forum. They consider it low-class, or "Lower Third, By gawd." FPE: Front Page Elites.

I posted on the front page.

[David M]

I added my contribution on the page 1 comments.

Other people here are correct, it would be nice to take this discussion to a more formal forum setting where we can more easily quote the points we are responding to. It is a shame that the forum link at the top of the page no longer takes you to a forum that is functioning. Perhaps the website code-monkeys can fix this to provide a proper discission forum rather than this limited comment format that we have to use now.

Looks like yours has gone???

Nope, still there. Its comment #86 on the homeopathy article.

Meant to say Front Page Articles rather than Page 1 comments.

[ozewiezeloose]

We know from forum staff that Josh has controls over Richard's account. He can 'read' the PMs and delete them as he wishes, Richard has delegated to him that authority. Also, Richard does not have the ability to make front page posts himself; it is more likely that he emails Josh the articles he wants to put up and lets Josh handle the rest. Remember, Richard is away in Australia right now, and even though he always has his laptop, he might be busy planning talks and meetings.

He who controls a leader's access to information and also control other resources always holds a tremendous amount of actual power. Think Martin Bormann, or Stalin before becoming General Secretary ...

Rather like Beria, if you ask me.

[sprite]

I added my contribution on the page 1 comments.

Other people here are correct, it would be nice to take this discussion to a more formal forum setting where we can more easily quote the points we are responding to. It is a shame that the forum link at the top of the page no longer takes you to a forum that is functioning. Perhaps the website code-monkeys can fix this to provide a proper discission forum rather than this limited comment format that we have to use now.

Looks like yours has gone???

Yes, found it still there - and still, so far:

28. Comment #463656 by ReverendClog on February 24, 2010 at 5:43 pm
JOSH IS A BACKSTABBING ATTENTION WHORE.#
FUCK YOU JOSH YOU SLACKJAWED MOUTHBREATHING TWAT.

[locutus7]

We know from forum staff that Josh has controls over Richard's account. He can 'read' the PMs and delete them as he wishes, Richard has delegated to him that authority. Also, Richard does not have the ability to make front page posts himself; it is more likely that he emails Josh the articles he wants to put up and lets Josh handle the rest. Remember, Richard is away in Australia right now, and even though he always has his laptop, he might be busy planning talks and meetings.

He who controls a leader's access to information and also control other resources always holds a tremendous amount of actual power. Think Martin Bormann, or Stalin before becoming General Secretary ...

Well, this could be one of two syndromes: The General's Secretary, where the secretary is the power-mad gate-keeper; OR the Surrogate Son Syndrome, where RD thinks of Josh as the son he never had.

In the military I had experience with both, and the surrogate son is the most dangerous, as the faux father (RD) has a psychological blind spot when it comes to negative behavior of the son. They cannot see it.

[klr]

We know from forum staff that Josh has controls over Richard's account. He can 'read' the PMs and delete them as he wishes, Richard has delegated to him that authority. Also, Richard does not have the ability to make front page posts himself; it is more likely that he emails Josh the articles he wants to put up and lets Josh handle the rest. Remember, Richard is away in Australia right now, and even though he always has his laptop, he might be busy planning talks and meetings.

He who controls a leader's access to information and also control other resources always holds a tremendous amount of actual power. Think Martin Bormann, or Stalin before becoming General Secretary ...

Well, this could be one of two syndromes: The General's Secretary, where the secretary is the power-mad gate-keeper; OR the Surrogate Son Syndrome, where RD thinks of Josh as the son he never had.

In the military I had experience with both, and the surrogate son is the most dangerous, as the faux father (RD) has a psychological blind spot when it comes to negative behavior of the son. They cannot see it.

I think it's both, which is worse still. I remarked yesterday - in response to what someone else had said - that I had long suspected that RD viewed Josh as a surrogate son of sorts. RD seems to have an almost blind, naive faith in him and his ability.

[locutus7]

The Front Page posters would rarely deign to visit the Forum. They consider it low-class, or "Lower Third, By gawd." FPE: Front Page Elites.

I posted on the front page.

Me too. So I said rarely.

[Matt H]

The Front Page posters would rarely deign to visit the Forum. They consider it low-class, or "Lower Third, By gawd." FPE: Front Page Elites.

I posted on the front page.

So did I.

What locutus means is the people who post on the frontpage almost exclusively. People like Steve Zara (one of the most egotistical people I've ever come across), Tyler Durden and peacebeuponme seem to like responding to articles on the front page, but don't want to participate in the more open discussion that exists on the forum. Those people will have little time for our troubles.

[Ilovelucy]

We know from forum staff that Josh has controls over Richard's account. He can 'read' the PMs and delete them as he wishes, Richard has delegated to him that authority. Also, Richard does not have the ability to make front page posts himself; it is more likely that he emails Josh the articles he wants to put up and lets Josh handle the rest. Remember, Richard is away in Australia right now, and even though he always has his laptop, he might be busy planning talks and meetings.

Richard commented on the article in the front page and has appeared as being online. The messages sent to him have moved from the outbox to the sent folder.

As an admin, I had control over people's accounts, but wasn't able to get to people's PMs. I'm not sure how possible it is for Josh to do it, but I have heard that it would be pretty damn difficult if he could. When messages get deleted they still get delivered, but with a big "Message Deleted" tag on them. From what we have seen so far, Josh has proven himself to be pretty amateurish with the forum software and so I would bet that he cant get at PMs.

Technical difficulties aside, I find it highly implausible that Josh would do this, considering his personal and professional relationship with Richard. Even if this was the case, people have sent messages to Richard's email addresses. On the "Does Richard Know what Happened Yet" scale, I declare myself to be a seven.

[virphen]

It's still possible to report posts

This is from one of the ones medgen posted to thank the staff

[Weaver]

RD has spoken ... supporting Josh all the way:

http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtop ... 7&t=110356

It's more evident than ever that he doesn't understand either the home he used to host, nor the reason so many felt betrayed and angry.