Fermi Paradox?

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Re: Fermie Paradox?

Post by klr » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:27 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:Yeah, the equation gives you a framework in which to talk about the concept of alien life but any numbers derived from it are, at the moment, cobblers.
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Re: Fermie Paradox?

Post by AshtonBlack » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:29 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:Yeah, the equation gives you a framework in which to talk about the concept of alien life but any numbers derived from it are, at the moment, cobblers.
Couldn't agree more. Speculation is no bad thing, for coming up with hypothesise, but data is the only way to get facts.

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Re: Fermie Paradox?

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:36 pm

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Re: Fermie Paradox?

Post by AshtonBlack » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:42 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Intelligent life might evolve here one day. First thing they'd do is neuter the human race apart from a few examples to keep in a zoo as a bad example to their children.
Holy crap, I'm reading "Saturn's Children" by Charles Stross at the moment, and guess what!

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Re: Fermie Paradox?

Post by War Arrow » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:55 pm

AshtonBlack wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Intelligent life might evolve here one day. First thing they'd do is neuter the human race apart from a few examples to keep in a zoo as a bad example to their children.
Holy crap, I'm reading "Saturn's Children" by Charles Stross at the moment, and guess what!
Oooh oooh. Folks keep telling me to read Charles Stross. It's another sign.
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Re: Fermie Paradox?

Post by AshtonBlack » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:05 pm

War Arrow wrote:
AshtonBlack wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Intelligent life might evolve here one day. First thing they'd do is neuter the human race apart from a few examples to keep in a zoo as a bad example to their children.
Holy crap, I'm reading "Saturn's Children" by Charles Stross at the moment, and guess what!
Oooh oooh. Folks keep telling me to read Charles Stross. It's another sign.
"Accelerando" made me throw my crappy attempt at sci-fi away. (Though I've got some new ideas!)

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Re: Fermi Paradox?

Post by Ian » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:31 pm

Something I posted on the Fermi Paradox a while back:
My favorite explanation is known as the "Zoo Hypothesis". The idea is that intelligent, spacefaring civilizations exist, are probably well aware of us, but are deliberately keeping themselves hidden from us because we're still far too underdeveloped. Their main interests in a civilization at our adolescent stage of development are anthropological. Once we develop interstellar technology ourselves, we'll probably get to meet them. (This is where Star Trek's "Prime Directive" idea comes from, btw)

Other explanations:
- Life in the universe is exceedingly rare and therefore difficult to detect
- Life in the universe is fairly common, but intelligent life is very rare
- Intelligent life is out there, but interstellar travel/communication is more difficult than we like to imagine
- Intelligent life tends to destroy itself through misuse of technology before developing interstellar capabilities
- Intelligent life is out there, but is so utterly alien that we don't notice it
- intelligent life is out there, but like us they only use broadcast radio-like technology for a very short period in their history before developing more advanced communications, hence we're only liable to hear other cultures at a very similar state of development (and given the sheer size of cosmic timelines, that's unlikely)

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Re: Fermi Paradox?

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Re: Fermi Paradox?

Post by Azathoth » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:44 pm

They are already here and entwining us mere monkeys in their reptilian games.

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Re: Fermi Paradox?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:21 pm

Ghatanothoa wrote:They are already here and entwining us mere monkeys in their reptilian games.

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