The Ships Of The Line thread!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The Defeat of the Enemy Attack on Shipping, 1939-1945. 97 meg PDF.

Downloading.

Waiting until tomorrow morning at work.

Now done ...

You might find the odd bit of data in the Appendices.

[Ian]

The new Zumwalt-class destroyers. Fortunately, only 2 or 3 are being built.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The new Zumwalt-class destroyers. Fortunately, only 2 or 3 are being built.

WTF have you done to my Navy?

[Ian]

The new Zumwalt-class destroyers. Fortunately, only 2 or 3 are being built.

WTF have you done to my Navy?

It's my Navy now.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The new Zumwalt-class destroyers. Fortunately, only 2 or 3 are being built.

WTF have you done to my Navy?

It's my Navy now.

It was in good shape when I gave it to you!

[Ian]

At least I said it's a good thing that only a couple of the Zumwalts are being built.

They're too damn expensive. Over 2.5 times the cost of a new Arleigh Burke-class DDG. While the Zumwalts have a small crew size, they just don't bring enough bang for the buck in terms of what they can do. Two or three Burkes can still put much more firepower on target for the same price, and with better survivability in terms of numbers. Zumwalts are technologically superior, maybe, but that shouldn't be a driving factor in warship design right now. No other nation is coming close to seriously challenging the technological supremacy of the Burkes, so why spend a fortune to succeed them so soon when the US can still crank out a couple Burkes per year? That's my analysis, anyway.

Besides, the Zumwalts look silly.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

At least I said it's a good thing that only a couple of the Zumwalts are being built.

They're too damn expensive. Over 2.5 times the cost of a new Arleigh Burke-class DDG. While the Zumwalts have a small crew size, they just don't bring enough bang for the buck in terms of what they can do. Two or three Burkes can still put much more firepower on target for the same price, and with better survivability in terms of numbers. Zumwalts are technologically superior, maybe, but that shouldn't be a driving factor in warship design right now. No other nation is coming close to seriously challenging the technological supremacy of the Burkes, so why spend a fortune to succeed them so soon when the US can still crank out a couple Burkes per year? That's my analysis, anyway.

Besides, the Zumwalts look silly.

A small crew is not necessarily a good thing.

[Ian]

At least I said it's a good thing that only a couple of the Zumwalts are being built.

They're too damn expensive. Over 2.5 times the cost of a new Arleigh Burke-class DDG. While the Zumwalts have a small crew size, they just don't bring enough bang for the buck in terms of what they can do. Two or three Burkes can still put much more firepower on target for the same price, and with better survivability in terms of numbers. Zumwalts are technologically superior, maybe, but that shouldn't be a driving factor in warship design right now. No other nation is coming close to seriously challenging the technological supremacy of the Burkes, so why spend a fortune to succeed them so soon when the US can still crank out a couple Burkes per year? That's my analysis, anyway.

Besides, the Zumwalts look silly.

A small crew is not necessarily a good thing.

That too. A small crew means a smaller payroll, but taking a hit which produces more than a couple casualties means the ship suddenly can't do as much. A small cadre of diverse subject matter experts is the wrong recipe for a warship.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

At least I said it's a good thing that only a couple of the Zumwalts are being built.

They're too damn expensive. Over 2.5 times the cost of a new Arleigh Burke-class DDG. While the Zumwalts have a small crew size, they just don't bring enough bang for the buck in terms of what they can do. Two or three Burkes can still put much more firepower on target for the same price, and with better survivability in terms of numbers. Zumwalts are technologically superior, maybe, but that shouldn't be a driving factor in warship design right now. No other nation is coming close to seriously challenging the technological supremacy of the Burkes, so why spend a fortune to succeed them so soon when the US can still crank out a couple Burkes per year? That's my analysis, anyway.

Besides, the Zumwalts look silly.

A small crew is not necessarily a good thing.

That too. A small crew means a smaller payroll, but taking a hit which produces more than a couple casualties means the ship suddenly can't do as much. A small cadre of diverse subject matter experts is the wrong recipe for a warship.

Not to mention firefighting, which sucks manpower like crazy if the hose teams have to be swapped before the fires are contained.

[klr]

At least I said it's a good thing that only a couple of the Zumwalts are being built.

They're too damn expensive. Over 2.5 times the cost of a new Arleigh Burke-class DDG. While the Zumwalts have a small crew size, they just don't bring enough bang for the buck in terms of what they can do. Two or three Burkes can still put much more firepower on target for the same price, and with better survivability in terms of numbers. Zumwalts are technologically superior, maybe, but that shouldn't be a driving factor in warship design right now. No other nation is coming close to seriously challenging the technological supremacy of the Burkes, so why spend a fortune to succeed them so soon when the US can still crank out a couple Burkes per year? That's my analysis, anyway.

Besides, the Zumwalts look silly.

A small crew is not necessarily a good thing.

That too. A small crew means a smaller payroll, but taking a hit which produces more than a couple casualties means the ship suddenly can't do as much. A small cadre of diverse subject matter experts is the wrong recipe for a warship.

Not to mention firefighting, which sucks manpower like crazy if the hose teams have to be swapped before the fires are contained.

The Brits are of the same mind when it comes to tank crews. Having a main gun autoloader (as used by the French, Russians, Chinese, Japanese, etc.) reduces the crew from four to three. But the British still don't use an autoloader for their tanks (and neither do the Germans, Americans, Israelis or Italians). I read somewhere that the disadvantages in all sorts of situations of having one less crew member (especially when things go wrong, as above) have played a major part in the British decision to let things be.

[NineOneFour]

You know South Carolina and Michigan were designed before Dreadnaught, right?

[NineOneFour]

Is it Brazilian? Is it Ottoman? No.......we're having it!

AGINCOURT!

[NineOneFour]

The German battle cruiser SMS Goeben (later the Yavuz in Ottoman/Turkish service):

I'm sure they planted trees to make up for its horrendous carbon footprint.

Warships kill people and blow up things to compensate for their carbon footprint.

And are freaking AWESOME!

Yavuz. Lasted until 1972 if my recollection is correct.

[Ameri Boi]

Ahhhh I got nuthin. 2:(

wtf is that(on the far right, looking like a bastardized version of a Soverign)

[klr]

Is it Brazilian? Is it Ottoman? No.......we're having it!

AGINCOURT!

Gotta love those seven turrets.