The Ships Of The Line thread!

[CJ]

About time.

And I don't recall Ian visiting this thread yet.

Oh I have been following with interest. The battle damage pdf is downloading as I type this!

Next up, The Defeat of the Enemy Attack on Shipping, 1939-1945.

[klr]

About time.

And I don't recall Ian visiting this thread yet.

Oh I have been following with interest. The battle damage pdf is downloading as I type this!

Next up, The Defeat of the Enemy Attack on Shipping, 1939-1945.

Noted with a certain interest ...

Lady Lex. She and Saratoga were originally supposed to be battle cruisers but (surprise!) they got nobbled by the Washington Naval treaty:

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Lexington was sunk at Coral Sea. Saratoga was damaged. She left Pearl after 48 hours repair time (repairs continued at sea). This was the plus for wooden decks, the minus being that the hole would have been smaller if she'd been armored like the RN covered wagons.

[klr]

Lexington was sunk at Coral Sea. Saratoga was damaged. She left Pearl after 48 hours repair time (repairs continued at sea). This was the plus for wooden decks, the minus being that the hole would have been smaller if she'd been armored like the RN covered wagons.

The Japanese carriers of the time also had wooden decks ... and went up in flames if you looked at them funny.

Damage control on US ships was so much better all the way through the war. The Japanese just didn't take it seriously enough.

[klr]

You know South Carolina and Michigan were designed before Dreadnaught, right?

HMS Dreadnought launched 2 years before South Carolina. We didn't invent the concept of the all big gun battlehip, we just built one first.

Ah, see klr got there before me.....

Get a load of The Mighty 'Ood...

I missed this when it was originally posted. That's before she was modified by having the secondary armament of 5.5 inch guns removed. Even that and other modernisation didn't save her.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

You know South Carolina and Michigan were designed before Dreadnaught, right?

HMS Dreadnought launched 2 years before South Carolina. We didn't invent the concept of the all big gun battlehip, we just built one first.

Ah, see klr got there before me.....

Get a load of The Mighty 'Ood...

I missed this when it was originally posted. That's before she was modified by having the secondary armament of 5.5 inch guns removed. Even that and other modernisation didn't save her.

It was still my favouritest EVAH Airfix kit though - that and the Bismark.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Lexington was sunk at Coral Sea. Saratoga was damaged. She left Pearl after 48 hours repair time (repairs continued at sea). This was the plus for wooden decks, the minus being that the hole would have been smaller if she'd been armored like the RN covered wagons.

The Japanese carriers of the time also had wooden decks ... and went up in flames if you looked at them funny.

Damage control on US ships was so much better all the way through the war. The Japanese just didn't take it seriously enough.

The "light, sweet crude" they were pumping directly into their fuel bunkers turned them into Molotov cocktails.

[klr]

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I missed this when it was originally posted. That's before she was modified by having the secondary armament of 5.5 inch guns removed. Even that and other modernisation didn't save her.

It was still my favouritest EVAH Airfix kit though - that and the Bismark.

Built them both, and Warspite and Scharnhorst as well. And I still have Nelson, Iron Duke, King George V and Repulse to build. But 1/600 is just a bit small for me nowadays. I prefer 1/400 and 1/350 if I have the time, space and money.

My favourite Airfix kit would require a discussion of thesis length to sort out.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

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I missed this when it was originally posted. That's before she was modified by having the secondary armament of 5.5 inch guns removed. Even that and other modernisation didn't save her.

It was still my favouritest EVAH Airfix kit though - that and the Bismark.

Built them both, and Warspite and Scharnhorst as well. And I still have Nelson, Iron Duke, King George V and Repulse to build. But 1/600 is just a bit small for me nowadays. I prefer 1/400 and 1/350 if I have the time, space and money.

My favourite Airfix kit would require a discussion of thesis length to sort out.

Sounds like an idea for a thread to me...

[klr]

Lexington was sunk at Coral Sea. Saratoga was damaged. She left Pearl after 48 hours repair time (repairs continued at sea). This was the plus for wooden decks, the minus being that the hole would have been smaller if she'd been armored like the RN covered wagons.

The Japanese carriers of the time also had wooden decks ... and went up in flames if you looked at them funny.

Damage control on US ships was so much better all the way through the war. The Japanese just didn't take it seriously enough.

The "light, sweet crude" they were pumping directly into their fuel bunkers turned them into Molotov cocktails.

That and the fact that the Japanese didn't really "get" personnel survivability. It was seemingly at odds with their warrior tradition. Armour and self-sealing fuel tanks on aircraft? No thanks, not if you're fighting for the Emperor.

[CJ]

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I missed this when it was originally posted. That's before she was modified by having the secondary armament of 5.5 inch guns removed. Even that and other modernisation didn't save her.

It was still my favouritest EVAH Airfix kit though - that and the Bismark.

Built them both, and Warspite and Scharnhorst as well. And I still have Nelson, Iron Duke, King George V and Repulse to build. But 1/600 is just a bit small for me nowadays. I prefer 1/400 and 1/350 if I have the time, space and money.

My favourite Airfix kit would require a discussion of thesis length to sort out.

Well we do have the seminary for just that sort of thing. You owe it to posterity to share your obsession! I mean that in a nice way.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Lexington was sunk at Coral Sea. Saratoga was damaged. She left Pearl after 48 hours repair time (repairs continued at sea). This was the plus for wooden decks, the minus being that the hole would have been smaller if she'd been armored like the RN covered wagons.

The Japanese carriers of the time also had wooden decks ... and went up in flames if you looked at them funny.

Damage control on US ships was so much better all the way through the war. The Japanese just didn't take it seriously enough.

The "light, sweet crude" they were pumping directly into their fuel bunkers turned them into Molotov cocktails.

That and the fact that the Japanese didn't really "get" personnel survivability. It was seemingly at odds with their warrior tradition. Armour and self-sealing fuel tanks on aircraft? No thanks, not if you're fighting for the Emperor.

When your "personal armor" is lacquered leather, metal armor does seem excessive.

[klr]

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I missed this when it was originally posted. That's before she was modified by having the secondary armament of 5.5 inch guns removed. Even that and other modernisation didn't save her.

It was still my favouritest EVAH Airfix kit though - that and the Bismark.

Built them both, and Warspite and Scharnhorst as well. And I still have Nelson, Iron Duke, King George V and Repulse to build. But 1/600 is just a bit small for me nowadays. I prefer 1/400 and 1/350 if I have the time, space and money.

My favourite Airfix kit would require a discussion of thesis length to sort out.

Sounds like an idea for a thread to me...

Something like that (and maybe more) has been on my "to do" list for some time . Soon. There's some (nautical) mileage in this thread yet.

EDIT: Right on cue ...

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My favourite Airfix kit would require a discussion of thesis length to sort out.

Well we do have the seminary for just that sort of thing. You owe it to posterity to share your obsession! I mean that in a nice way.

I will, I will ... I'm actually trying to do some building at the moment. Trying being the operative word.

[klr]

Lexington was sunk at Coral Sea. Saratoga was damaged. She left Pearl after 48 hours repair time (repairs continued at sea). This was the plus for wooden decks, the minus being that the hole would have been smaller if she'd been armored like the RN covered wagons.

The Japanese carriers of the time also had wooden decks ... and went up in flames if you looked at them funny.

Damage control on US ships was so much better all the way through the war. The Japanese just didn't take it seriously enough.

The "light, sweet crude" they were pumping directly into their fuel bunkers turned them into Molotov cocktails.

That and the fact that the Japanese didn't really "get" personnel survivability. It was seemingly at odds with their warrior tradition. Armour and self-sealing fuel tanks on aircraft? No thanks, not if you're fighting for the Emperor.

When your "personal armor" is lacquered leather, metal armor does seem excessive.

And removing the Emperor's portrait in a drawn-out ceremony was the most important thing when a ship was sinking.

[drl2]

The USS Hornet, where my father served in Vietnam on a special task force reporting directly to the fleet admiral that had something to do with navigation and plotting air strikes - wish he had talked about it more, but he didn't seem interested in sharing the details.