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Re: Ancient Aliens

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:49 am

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Why do so many structures, from different societies worldwide, seem to point towards the same spot in the skies?
As in, straight up? :think:

What bollocks. Unless a 'structure' is pointing due north or south, it will continually point to different spots in the sky as the Earth rotates! :dono:

That is the limit of von Daniken's scientific accuracy, DSI. The guy's a woo-pushing ignoramus.
I did find it a bit silly after going on about how aliens being misinterpreted as being gods and angels, he then said he believes in god.
I mean, that's like saying "Hey everyone. You know that peice of Red Leicester cheese in the fridge? Well I just proven it's really Double Gloucester, but I still believe it's Red Leicester." :doh:
Much as he selectively quotes, perverts and distorts science, he reserves an especially vicious disregard for consistency!! :hehe:
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Re: Ancient Aliens

Post by War Arrow » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:27 pm

Also it's just a variation on early twentieth century interpretations of "primitive" cultures which often ran along the lines of "well I don't see how these charming but ultimately dopey jungle bunnies can have built such amazing structures or added two and two together without getting five, so obvioulsy it can only have been skills learned from ancient seafaring whitey in times before records began (as in our records, not theirs being as they're obviously just jungle bunny myths and not to be taken seriously."
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Re: Ancient Aliens

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:28 pm

War Arrow wrote:Also it's just a variation on early twentieth century interpretations of "primitive" cultures which often ran along the lines of "well I don't see how these charming but ultimately dopey jungle bunnies can have built such amazing structures or added two and two together without getting five, so obvioulsy it can only have been skills learned from ancient seafaring whitey in times before records began (as in our records, not theirs being as they're obviously just jungle bunny myths and not to be taken seriously."
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Re: Ancient Aliens

Post by lofuji » Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:43 pm

I thought von Daniken had been comprehensively debunked back in the 1970s. I remember reading his original book (Chariots of the Gods) then on the recommendation of a friend, who was extremely offended when I told him that it was complete and utter tosh. But highly marketable: I understand that there's a von Daniken theme park somewhere in Switzerland. No doubt it has about the same relation to reality as Disneyland.

The one thing I remember about Chariots of the Gods was that the author kept saying that experts can't agree on an explanation of x, so his explanation was of equal validity. Yet you read, say, a Mayan scholar's description of the sarcophagus from Palenque, which von Daniken maintained showed a rocket ship, and every part of the image can be related to conventional Mayan iconography well attested by multiple occurrences from several Mayan sites. Unfortunately, you can't argue with that kind of ignorance.

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Re: Ancient Aliens

Post by War Arrow » Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:55 pm

lofuji wrote:I thought von Daniken had been comprehensively debunked back in the 1970s. I remember reading his original book (Chariots of the Gods) then on the recommendation of a friend, who was extremely offended when I told him that it was complete and utter tosh. But highly marketable: I understand that there's a von Daniken theme park somewhere in Switzerland. No doubt it has about the same relation to reality as Disneyland.

The one thing I remember about Chariots of the Gods was that the author kept saying that experts can't agree on an explanation of x, so his explanation was of equal validity. Yet you read, say, a Mayan scholar's description of the sarcophagus from Palenque, which von Daniken maintained showed a rocket ship, and every part of the image can be related to conventional Mayan iconography well attested by multiple occurrences from several Mayan sites. Unfortunately, you can't argue with that kind of ignorance.

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Too right.

I read von Daniken when I was about twelve and didn't know any better and some of it seemed plausible, but then I recall a debunking documentary (Panorama) in the 1970s where those "ancient" stones depicting heart surgery were actually being churned out by some little old guy five miles from where they had been "discovered." The real nail in the coffin for me was a goldwork Mixtec pectoral he claimed as a representation of an "ancient circuit board" - all those funny little lines produced by the lost wax method which er... well, they were actually pictographs which even I could read.

Unfortunately people will always (it seems) want to believe that sort of stuff so there will always be a market for it, a market in which complete debunking is reduced to being merely a different perspective.

I think the worst thing I ever saw (and it made Erich look like Carl Sagan) was this thing book called 'The Mayan Prophecies' by (I think) Maurice Cotterell - the Maya you see, had photographic memories (something to do with not having television) which they used to mentally superimpose different images from the lid of poor old Pacal's tomb (beneath which he was most likely still spinning from the von Doonican encounter) over one another to reveal mysterious and prophetic new images. Mr. Cotterell helpfully spent some time in a photolab in order to reconstruct these images as the Maya would have seen them. One of them looked a lot like Mickey Mouse. Unfuckingcanny. :banghead:
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