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Substance Dualism

Post by Animavore » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:10 am

Excellent vid on conscience/body dualism.

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Post by AshtonBlack » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:29 am

Posted on me FB page too. Top vid!

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Post by Animavore » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:39 am

Comments are funny :lol:
Some dualists trying their damnedest to refute the argument but can't do it without using the arguments refuted in the video :panic:
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Post by AshtonBlack » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:59 am

On this subject I really like Dan Dennet's "Kinds of Minds" which describes "consciousness" not as a binary "things have it or not" but as a gradual emergent process given enough time and neurons!

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Post by Animavore » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:09 am

AshtonBlack wrote:On this subject I really like Dan Dennet's "Kinds of Minds" which describes "consciousness" not as a binary "things have it or not" but as a gradual emergent process given enough time and neurons!
Much prefer Steven Pinker's The Blank Slate.
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Re: Substance Dualism

Post by charlou » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:23 pm

^^^ Two books I've yet to, but must read ...

Animavore wrote:Excellent vid on conscience/body dualism.
I've seen this guy's work before ... Good stuff.

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Post by FBM » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:38 pm

:woot: That was very concise and well-presented! Best thing I've seen in a while. Thanks, Ani!
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Post by Psi Wavefunction » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:42 pm

This is awesome, thanks for posting, Ani!

You'd be surprised how alive and well dualism is in the Humanities departments. :( Or maybe not ;)

Maybe I should show this at the beginning of my seminar next term; we have some foundational premises to agree upon at the beginning, one of which is that we will explore the subject from a monist/materialist standpoint. (the other is that we will use the Scientific Method to the best of our abilities)

(topic is application of evolutionary theory in the humanities, btw... :biggrin: )

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Post by Animavore » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:49 pm

He's making a follow up to this too. I can't wait. He's my second favourite YouTuber after AronRa. It's just a pity he posts so seldom.

He also posted this today along with the dualism vid.

It actually is very appropriate to the way I woke up this morning.

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Re: Substance Dualism

Post by FBM » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:08 pm

The part where he mentions that all the physical substance in the body has been replaced very 7 years is interesting to me. He destroys the idea that this fact means that there's a non-physical substance that's responsible for identity. I would have gone a step further to point out that identity is merely a non-fixed convention in the first place, though, but still. :td:
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Post by Animavore » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:15 pm

FBM wrote:The part where he mentions that all the physical substance in the body has been replaced very 7 years is interesting to me. He destroys the idea that this fact means that there's a non-physical substance that's responsible for identity. I would have gone a step further to point out that identity is merely a non-fixed convention in the first place, though, but still. :td:
I was surprised he didn't mention that. I'm certainly a different person to what I was 7 years ago. My mind was not yet critical and sceptical then. The world was way simpler.
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FBM wrote:The part where he mentions that all the physical substance in the body has been replaced very 7 years is interesting to me. He destroys the idea that this fact means that there's a non-physical substance that's responsible for identity. I would have gone a step further to point out that identity is merely a non-fixed convention in the first place, though, but still. :td:
I was surprised he didn't mention that. I'm certainly a different person to what I was 7 years ago. My mind was not yet critical and sceptical then. The world was way simpler.
I don't think it had much to do with making a refutation of dualism. He did that effectively w/out needing to go that far. Hell, if I had my way, he'd have gone into the problem with induction and Pyrrhonian skepticism, but I know that wouldn't have been very effective. Good thing I didn't make that vid, eh? I would have fucked it all up, for sure. :hehe:
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Re: Substance Dualism

Post by Animavore » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:28 pm

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FBM wrote:The part where he mentions that all the physical substance in the body has been replaced very 7 years is interesting to me. He destroys the idea that this fact means that there's a non-physical substance that's responsible for identity. I would have gone a step further to point out that identity is merely a non-fixed convention in the first place, though, but still. :td:
I was surprised he didn't mention that. I'm certainly a different person to what I was 7 years ago. My mind was not yet critical and sceptical then. The world was way simpler.
I don't think it had much to do with making a refutation of dualism. He did that effectively w/out needing to go that far. Hell, if I had my way, he'd have gone into the problem with induction and Pyrrhonian skepticism, but I know that wouldn't have been very effective. Good thing I didn't make that vid, eh? I would have fucked it all up, for sure. :hehe:
He had to limit the length of the vid while keeping it succint so I guess he found it superfluous.
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Re: Substance Dualism

Post by FBM » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:33 pm

Animavore wrote:He had to limit the length of the vid while keeping it succint so I guess he found it superfluous.
Succint good.
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