Come and get yer Nazis!

[Lozzer]

Come and get your nazis! Personal information leaked on over 16,000 BNP supports! Can only be found here:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_Natio ... 5_Apr_2009

They've been pwned again!

[BlackBart]

Come and get your nazis! Personal information leaked on over 16,000 BNP supports! Can only be found here:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_Natio ... 5_Apr_2009

They've been pwned again!

Nothing better than seeing a Nazi get what's coming to them, but how do we know this list is genuine? And if it is genuine, how do we know it hasn't been compromised? Are you sure EVERY name on there is a BNP supporter. Are you sure EVERY address on there homes a BNP supporter? If not, what use is it?

[Lozzer]

Because it is? Besides, no normal curious person would literally pay for a gold membership.

[Pappa]

Moved thread to News, Current Events and Politics.

[BlackBart]

Because it is?

It is genuine because it is genuine?

Besides, no normal curious person would literally pay for a gold membership.

It's genuine because no one but an idiot would be on it?

[floppit]

Naff! Broken link - but didn't this all kick of months ago when their membership list got leaked?

I think that one was accurate because it included a guy that lives round the corner from us and he is DEFIANTLY pro BNP, he puts placards up! (BTW, they're never up for long before they get graffitti!).

[Feck]

I would bet that several people are on that list for good reasons (ie cos they are keeping a watch on the BNP)

[BlackBart]

I think that one was accurate because it included a guy that lives round the corner from us and he is DEFIANTLY pro BNP, he puts placards up! (BTW, they're never up for long before they get graffitti!).

Even if we assume that the list did originate from a BNP database we can't be sure the list is completely accurate. I could apply to the BNP for information with someone else's details. In light of the last debacle, I wouldn't put it past the BNP to put innocent names in the list and then capitalise on any misfortune that befell those people on publication of the list. And once this list floats around the Internet, it is compromised and therefore useless.

[Trolldor]

I think that one was accurate because it included a guy that lives round the corner from us and he is DEFIANTLY pro BNP, he puts placards up! (BTW, they're never up for long before they get graffitti!).

Even if we assume that the list did originate from a BNP database we can't be sure the list is completely accurate. I could apply to the BNP for information with someone else's details. In light of the last debacle, I wouldn't put it past the BNP to put innocent names in the list and then capitalise on any misfortune that befell those people on publication of the list. And once this list floats around the Internet, it is compromised and therefore useless.

The list is true until proven otherwise.
Rule of the internets 101.

Also note wikileaks is a bit of pedant when it comes to this shit. If it's wrong, then all hell and fury will reign down on to whoever provided it to them. Whoever submittied it would have been pretty damn confident it was real.

[BlackBart]

I think that one was accurate because it included a guy that lives round the corner from us and he is DEFIANTLY pro BNP, he puts placards up! (BTW, they're never up for long before they get graffitti!).

Even if we assume that the list did originate from a BNP database we can't be sure the list is completely accurate. I could apply to the BNP for information with someone else's details. In light of the last debacle, I wouldn't put it past the BNP to put innocent names in the list and then capitalise on any misfortune that befell those people on publication of the list. And once this list floats around the Internet, it is compromised and therefore useless.

The list is true until proven otherwise.
Rule of the internets 101.

Also note wikileaks is a bit of pedant when it comes to this shit. If it's wrong, then all hell and fury will reign down on to whoever provided it to them. Whoever submittied it would have been pretty damn confident it was real.

'pretty damn confident' doesn't cut it as evidence. Kent Hovind is pretty damned confident the world was created in seven days.

Will that 'hell and fury' compare with the suffering caused to innocent people in it by publishing it?

As I said, just because it's real doesn't mean it's accurate. If they're that pedantic, that perhaps they should confirm every one of the 16000 entries is accurate before they publish it?

[Trolldor]

Because nothing ever published will ever be '100% certain', but this was taken from the BNP itself, and it is a list of their members. Any manufactured names are products of the BNP and not the responsibility of wikileaks or any other party.

[BlackBart]

Because nothing ever published will ever be '100% certain',

That's why we have the phrase 'beyond all reasonable doubt' in law. We cannot take this as evidence of wrongdoing on any of the members of this list, because the source is anonymous. We have no idea of it's veracity or accuracy.

but this was taken from the BNP itself, and it is a list of their members

Again, as you said, you cannot be 100% certain of that.

Any manufactured names are products of the BNP and not the responsibility of wikileaks or any other party.

If a case of defamation comes up against wikileak the onus will be on them to prove the veracity of the claim. They probably won't get much help on that from the BNP. And again, that won't help the poor innocent sod with petrol poured though his letterbox.

We have to democratically demonstrate that BNP'S policies are the obscenities they are. We cannot allow mob rule on unverifiable claims - that's what the BNP and religious bigots do.

[Trolldor]

Until such a problem arises, I'm not willing to question the authenticity of wikileaks, given their history and the amount of shit they've exposed.
Not least of which was our Government's very own blacklist for an internet filter it was trying to impose on us.

[BlackBart]

Until such a problem arises, I'm not willing to question the authenticity of wikileaks, given their history and the amount of shit they've exposed.
Not least of which was our Government's very own blacklist for an internet filter it was trying to impose on us.

it doesn't matter if it wikileaks is authentic! We cannot take it for granted that the BNPs data itself is authentic - just because someone's name is on that list does not prove they are card carrying Nazis. If there is the possiblity that publicly publishing this list exposes just one non-BNP member to risk of public retribution then it's the wrong thing to do. It's a lazy and sensationalist way of tackling a very real threat to our society.

[Lozzer]

I now have in my possession the details of over 16,000 BNP members. I've found several who are local to me.

Seriously, what kind of stupid retard called John Alexander of 33 Dudley Road, Grantham, Lincolnshire is stupid enough to put his phone number (01476 573949) on the internets?