Should Roman Polanski be extradited?

[RPizzle]

Actually, I have a better option than death for him. Let's put him in the general population of our fine prison system. No white collar jail either, real rape-you-in-the-ass jail. It would be fitting.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

Actually, I have a better option than death for him. Let's put him in the general population of our fine prison system. No white collar jail either, real rape-you-in-the-ass jail. It would be fitting.

Not in a UK hotel prison, then.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Actually, I have a better option than death for him. Let's put him in the general population of our fine prison system. No white collar jail either, real rape-you-in-the-ass jail. It would be fitting.

I would vote for a "juvenile correction facility". There's a few outside L.A. that would make him beg for mercy in a few days.

[RPizzle]

Actually, I have a better option than death for him. Let's put him in the general population of our fine prison system. No white collar jail either, real rape-you-in-the-ass jail. It would be fitting.

I would vote for a "juvenile correction facility". There's a few outside L.A. that would make him beg for mercy in a few days.

Either would work. I'm sure it would be pure torment for him, as he'd have to be wary of getting shanked every five minutes. Not to mention his difficulties when a sharpened toothbrush does eventually find its way into his carotid artery.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Actually, I have a better option than death for him. Let's put him in the general population of our fine prison system. No white collar jail either, real rape-you-in-the-ass jail. It would be fitting.

I would vote for a "juvenile correction facility". There's a few outside L.A. that would make him beg for mercy in a few days.

Either would work. I'm sure it would be pure torment for him, as he'd have to be wary of getting shanked every five minutes. Not to mention his difficulties when a sharpened toothbrush does eventually find its way into his carotid artery.

I visited the son of a friend at one such facility. He told me gang rape was the first day activity for every new fish that arrived there.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

As far as I know he escaped to avoid a longer jail sentence that his celebrity judge and media whore was trying to pin on him, despite having done jail time already and settled with the victim after pleading guilty in court.

This is the case. He was tried, pleaded guilty and agreed to a non-custodial sentence that included a period of 'observation' in a state institution - basically prison by another name - which he served. The judge then reneged on the deal.

The original DA in the case admits publicly that this was wrong and that it was all down to the judge's ego-trip.

Polanski fled to avoid being effectively sentenced twice for the same crime!

And calling consensual sex with a physically mature young woman (of whatever age) that was not even a virgin at the time, is fucked up. IIRC, he was not aware of her age at the time (although he was aware that she was under 18.)

[Drewish]

not that I don't trust you, but source?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

not that I don't trust you, but source?

I saw it on a documentary film shown on Channel 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Pola ... nd_Desired

The facts are generally available though - this is from wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Pola ... uilty_plea

Under the terms of the plea agreement, according to the documentary Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired, the court ordered Polanski to report to a state prison for a 90-day psychiatric evaluation, but granted a stay of ninety days to allow him to complete his current project. Under the terms set by the court, he was permitted to travel abroad. Polanski returned to California and reported to Chino State Prison for the evaluation period, and was released after 42 days. All parties expected Polanski to get only probation at the subsequent sentencing hearing, but after an alleged conversation with LA Deputy District Attorney David Wells, the judge "suggested to Polanski's attorneys that he would send the director to prison and order him deported".[46] In response to the threat of imprisonment, Polanski fled the United States.

What I typed above was from memory - so any errors in it are mine.

[Drewish]

If what you say is true, that might impact my opinion, however I just can't accept wikipedia as a viable source on anything controversial. I guess I'll just have to go agnostic on the subject.

[owtth]

The lawyer part of me (evil, evil, bastard) says the original judge was a complete dick and therefore he should get off on time served. The part of me that has friends with teenage daughters says this fella need electroshock therapy on his nads, Stat!

I can sort of understand the outpouring of support for a mishandled legal case, but he is still a paedophile and his own feelings barely come into it in that case. It's the protection of any young girls that he may have access to that should be paramount.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

The lawyer part of me (evil, evil, bastard) says the original judge was a complete dick and therefore he should get off on time served. The part of me that has friends with teenage daughters says this fella need electroshock therapy on his nads, Stat!

I can sort of understand the outpouring of support for a mishandled legal case, but he is still a paedophile and his own feelings barely come into it in that case. It's the protection of any young girls that he may have access to that should be paramount.

I dispute that he is a paedophile in any but legal terms.

The girl with whom he had sex was a physically mature woman that just happened to be 13. Just look at pictures taken of her at that time and tell me that is a prepubescent child?

What he did was have consensual sex with a physical woman who happened to be legally under the age of giving consent. Paedophiles seek out immature children for sexual gratification.

People mature sexually at widely varying ages - as young as 9 and as late as the early 20's are neither uncommon. The age of consent is perforce arbitrary chosen to suit the majority of cases - in California it is particularly high at 18 IMO. In some states at that time he could have legally married her!

[Drewish]

Ummm, we have laws to protect children because of MENTAL maturity not physical maturity.

[owtth]

The lawyer part of me (evil, evil, bastard) says the original judge was a complete dick and therefore he should get off on time served. The part of me that has friends with teenage daughters says this fella need electroshock therapy on his nads, Stat!

I can sort of understand the outpouring of support for a mishandled legal case, but he is still a paedophile and his own feelings barely come into it in that case. It's the protection of any young girls that he may have access to that should be paramount.

I dispute that he is a paedophile in any but legal terms.

The girl with whom he had sex was a physically mature woman that just happened to be 13. Just look at pictures taken of her at that time and tell me that is a prepubescent child?

What he did was have consensual sex with a physical woman who happened to be legally under the age of giving consent. Paedophiles seek out immature children for sexual gratification.

People mature sexually at widely varying ages - as young as 9 and as late as the early 20's are neither uncommon. The age of consent is perforce arbitrary chosen to suit the majority of cases - in California it is particularly high at 18 IMO. In some states at that time he could have legally married her!

If you allow one exception on the grounds that the individual was mature and agreed to have sex then that gives a way out to anyone that has sex with an under-age person, arguing consent. Keep in mind most abuse is perpetrated by parents who could condition the children, so the law is the way it is to protect them. Even so in this case the victim, even though she has asked for the case to be dropped or let lie, never conceded that she gave consent and has stated the opposite, she was coerced, as distasteful as it is, imagine yourself in such a situation with a person of that age. Who has the upper hand when it comes to convincing someone to do something unusual? The 13 year old? I don't think so.

Physically she may have been a woman, but she was still a child in every way that should count.

[Chinaski]

Ummm, we have laws to protect children because of MENTAL maturity not physical maturity.

Right, because age is an infallible way of measuring a person's maturity, be it mental or emotional.

[Drewish]

Ummm, we have laws to protect children because of MENTAL maturity not physical maturity.

Right, because age is an infallible way of measuring a person's maturity, be it mental or emotional.

Oh please, I can make one liner dismissive comments too, but that's nothing more than a cop-out. She was 13. he didn't know she was 13, but he did know she was underage. Had he not known she was underage, then okay, an honest mistake. But to know that and then to still fuck her? (and though claims have been made saying that it was consensual, everything I have read has made no such claim and I have yet to see a news source saying it.) We have to draw the line somewhere for nothing more than practical purposes, and this wasn't even close. She wasn't 17, she wasn't 16. She wasn't even 15 or 14. That's the reality of it, and attempting to excuse that by saying, "age is just a number," is a poor excuse for an argument.