When would you decide to top yourself ?

[Mallardz]

"We will never sleep, 'cause sleep is for the weak. No we will never rest till we're all £%@#ing dead!"
Never give up, never surrender.

Anyway why would you consider it?
When your dead your dead all concious thought is gone so you wouldn't know you were dead why would you waste yourself and potentially upset family, friends and others.

[Rum]

"We will never sleep, 'cause sleep is for the weak. No we will never rest till we're all £%@#ing dead!"
Never give up, never surrender.

Anyway why would you consider it?
When your dead your dead all concious thought is gone so you wouldn't know you were dead why would you waste yourself and potentially upset family, friends and others.

I suppose my thinking was about when life becomes less attractive than death and when you would like to bow out as un-traumatically as possible rather than go through the awfulness of prolonged suffering.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"We will never sleep, 'cause sleep is for the weak. No we will never rest till we're all £%@#ing dead!"
Never give up, never surrender.

Anyway why would you consider it?
When your dead your dead all concious thought is gone so you wouldn't know you were dead why would you waste yourself and potentially upset family, friends and others.

I suppose my thinking was about when life becomes less attractive than death and when you would like to bow out as un-traumatically as possible rather than go through the awfulness of prolonged suffering.

Rum, that would be a judgment call at a time of great stress. I had a friend give up, sit down, and wait to die because he didn't have any more hope. I had to go on, and actually made it back to him with help while he was still alive. He died in the chopper. Because he gave up. Too soon.

[Rum]

"We will never sleep, 'cause sleep is for the weak. No we will never rest till we're all £%@#ing dead!"
Never give up, never surrender.

Anyway why would you consider it?
When your dead your dead all concious thought is gone so you wouldn't know you were dead why would you waste yourself and potentially upset family, friends and others.

I suppose my thinking was about when life becomes less attractive than death and when you would like to bow out as un-traumatically as possible rather than go through the awfulness of prolonged suffering.

Rum, that would be a judgment call at a time of great stress. I had a friend give up, sit down, and wait to die because he didn't have any more hope. I had to go on, and actually made it back to him with help while he was still alive. He died in the chopper. Because he gave up. Too soon.

But he made the call, right?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"We will never sleep, 'cause sleep is for the weak. No we will never rest till we're all £%@#ing dead!"
Never give up, never surrender.

Anyway why would you consider it?
When your dead your dead all concious thought is gone so you wouldn't know you were dead why would you waste yourself and potentially upset family, friends and others.

I suppose my thinking was about when life becomes less attractive than death and when you would like to bow out as un-traumatically as possible rather than go through the awfulness of prolonged suffering.

Rum, that would be a judgment call at a time of great stress. I had a friend give up, sit down, and wait to die because he didn't have any more hope. I had to go on, and actually made it back to him with help while he was still alive. He died in the chopper. Because he gave up. Too soon.

But he made the call, right?

Giving up isn't making a call. It's failing. He failed to try hard enough to live. I've had nearly four decades of life he didn't because I wasn't willing to give up. And I was in worse shape than he was if we go strictly by bullet holes.

[Rum]

But he made the call, right?

Giving up isn't making a call. It's failing. He failed to try hard enough to live. I've had nearly four decades of life he didn't because I wasn't willing to give up. And I was in worse shape than he was if we go strictly by bullet holes.

You have experienced some serious crap my friend - nothing like my protected life. The worst I can think of in my life is the cancer I was diagnosed with four years ago and the subsequent operations. I was not near death's door, but I had a taste of dealing with its possibility..near probability, and I am not sure if things had worked out badly, when I would have 'given up'. I can't make any judgement about your friend giving up, but I assume he had had enough by then. When and if I give up, it might be too soon by the measure of other people, but I will have had enough.

On which gloomy note lets look for some more LOLcats!

[Xamonas Chegwé]

To those that say that they would 'take the cure' if they had Alzheimer's I ask the following:

Given that you have never had Alzheimer's, how do you know how bad it feels? Maybe it is just like being pleasantly stoned for the rest of your life. Maybe you don't even realise that other people are wiping your arse for you. How can losing memories that you have no recollection of be painful?

You are looking at this kind of life as a 'non-life' from your lofty viewpoint of now. One quick stroke / head injury / accidental therapeutic (or recreational) overdose later and you could be in a similar state and not even care. OK. So you won't have the intellect of a sponge but does that mean that you don't wish to carry on? NOBODY KNOWS! All we can do is imagine ourselves in that state, or rely on the testimonies of those that are heading towards it but are not yet there.

I am not claiming that living through Alzheimer's is pleasant - merely that it is unknown. The only people it is guaranteed to be unpleasant for are the nearest and dearest of the 'sufferers'.

[Don't Panic]

To those that say that they would 'take the cure' if they had Alzheimer's I ask the following:

Given that you have never had Alzheimer's, how do you know how bad it feels? Maybe it is just like being pleasantly stoned for the rest of your life. Maybe you don't even realise that other people are wiping your arse for you. How can losing memories that you have no recollection of be painful?

You are looking at this kind of life as a 'non-life' from your lofty viewpoint of now. One quick stroke / head injury / accidental therapeutic (or recreational) overdose later and you could be in a similar state and not even care. OK. So you won't have the intellect of a sponge but does that mean that you don't wish to carry on? NOBODY KNOWS! All we can do is imagine ourselves in that state, or rely on the testimonies of those that are heading towards it but are not yet there.

I am not claiming that living through Alzheimer's is pleasant - merely that it is unknown. The only people it is guaranteed to be unpleasant for are the nearest and dearest of the 'sufferers'.

That would be my reason for wanting to check out early, I know people who are dealing with a relative(usually a parent) with alzheimers, and I would not want to cause that kind of situation for anyone I care about.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

That would be my reason for wanting to check out early, I know people who are dealing with a relative(usually a parent) with alzheimers, and I would not want to cause that kind of situation for anyone I care about.

Okay, what-if scenario: You have Alz and they follow your wishes and put you down. Two days later they find a cure for it.

[Don't Panic]

That would be my reason for wanting to check out early, I know people who are dealing with a relative(usually a parent) with alzheimers, and I would not want to cause that kind of situation for anyone I care about.

Okay, what-if scenario: You have Alz and they follow your wishes and put you down. Two days later they find a cure for it.

There is no cure for it, the damage to the brain is irreversible, if it gets to the point where I'm going to sleep, then I would rather not continue in that condition. The that can be hoped for with alzheimers is a vaccine to prevent it or a cure that catches it early before too much damage is done to the brain.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

That would be my reason for wanting to check out early, I know people who are dealing with a relative(usually a parent) with alzheimers, and I would not want to cause that kind of situation for anyone I care about.

Okay, what-if scenario: You have Alz and they follow your wishes and put you down. Two days later they find a cure for it.

There is no cure for it, the damage to the brain is irreversible, if it gets to the point where I'm going to sleep, then I would rather not continue in that condition. The that can be hoped for with alzheimers is a vaccine to prevent it or a cure that catches it early before too much damage is done to the brain.

There's no current cure for Alz.

[Don't Panic]

That would be my reason for wanting to check out early, I know people who are dealing with a relative(usually a parent) with alzheimers, and I would not want to cause that kind of situation for anyone I care about.

Okay, what-if scenario: You have Alz and they follow your wishes and put you down. Two days later they find a cure for it.

There is no cure for it, the damage to the brain is irreversible, if it gets to the point where I'm going to sleep, then I would rather not continue in that condition. The that can be hoped for with alzheimers is a vaccine to prevent it or a cure that catches it early before too much damage is done to the brain.

There's no current cure for Alz.

Given the damage it does to the brain, I don't see how any reversal of that damage could be possible.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Given the damage it does to the brain, I don't see how any reversal of that damage could be possible.

I read a lot of material from the early 1800s. Include medical reports. One still sticks in my, a report on the scourge of appendicitis. The doctor concluded the report by saying we'd probably never find a way to deal with it that didn't kill the patient.

[Don't Panic]

Given the damage it does to the brain, I don't see how any reversal of that damage could be possible.

I read a lot of material from the early 1800s. Include medical reports. One still sticks in my, a report on the scourge of appendicitis. The doctor concluded the report by saying we'd probably never find a way to deal with it that didn't kill the patient.

Once brain tissue is destroyed the memories contained in it are irrevocably lost.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Given the damage it does to the brain, I don't see how any reversal of that damage could be possible.

I read a lot of material from the early 1800s. Include medical reports. One still sticks in my, a report on the scourge of appendicitis. The doctor concluded the report by saying we'd probably never find a way to deal with it that didn't kill the patient.

Once brain tissue is destroyed the memories contained in it are irrevocably lost.

Be that way, then.