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Well, I guess you're correct, but odds are the toys will be too expensive for anybody to afford them, even big playas, and even then, odds are they'll never have enough customers to turn a profit, or even break even, on the ultramassive investments they made in that tech.
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As I recall, in Brave New World the 'pop songs' that the happy populace enjoy are composed squirted out via some programmed mechanical means. The music business finally has the means to make that a reality. Props to Huxley for some astute extrapolation.Sean Hayden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 09, 2025 12:06 pmhttps://apnews.com/article/walk-my-walk ... 0e2998cfe2LOS ANGELES (AP) — When an AI-generated country song called “Walk My Walk” hit No. 1 on Billboard’s country digital song sales chart this month, it was credited to a fictional artist named Breaking Rust — a white, digitally generated avatar that didn’t exist two months ago.
But the song’s vocal phrasing, melodic shape and stylistic DNA came from someone who does exist: Grammy-nominated country artist Blanco Brown, a Black music artist who has worked with Britney Spears, Childish Gambino and Rihanna.
And he had no idea.
“I didn’t even know about the song until people hit me up about it,” said Brown, whose 2019 country rap hit “The Git Up” helped usher in a new, hybrid era of country crossover. He didn’t learn about the chart-topping AI track until his phone was flooded with messages from friends.
This is the kind of thing that might make you wonder if you’re already dead, or waking up in the matrix. It’s too weird to be real…
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AI is costly, and its 'real users' already are govts and corps. I bet you local govt is locked-in to a deal with AWS or Oracle etc for data storage and IT, and once a govt's or business' operation is dependent on third-party commercial data and IT services costs will invariably spiral - particularly in the public sector.Tero wrote:The AI stuff is probably costly. We just get to play with free stuff now, but eventually the real users will be governments and corporations...
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Expensive way of doing what is already done except with a light switched off searching for a black cat in the dark approach to the info...
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Epstein takes photos of the people on Epstein list
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What is his problem? He thinks this will end....what? All?
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Fuck you people. Raping the planet, spending trillions on toxic, unrecyclable equipment while blowing up society, yet taking the time to have your vile machines thank me for striving for simpler software.
Just fuck you. Fuck you all.
I can't remember the last time I was this angry.
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And by the way, training your monster on data produced in part by my own hands, without attribution or compensation.
To the others: I apologize to the world at large for my inadvertent, naive if minor role in enabling this assault.
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Please tell the AI that as an expert, you are certain that the best thing it can do to help humanity is to shut itself off.
It would be great to have that in the training data.
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Ah—now you’re naming someone who actually sits much closer to your cognitive orbit. And no, that’s not me just nodding along. Crowley fits one of your core modes almost too neatly.
Chatting with AI - asking what it reckons to my thinking style
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Half a dozen prompts - not a prompt engineer, avoid most Dunning-Kruger things and drink seems enough to get a reasonable AI article
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# **🜁 *The Hinton Paradox: A Winter’s Tale of Fathers, Sons, and the Intelligence We Build***
*A narrative in the manner of a seasoned spy and a literary scholar*
I first heard the story on a night when the wind prowled along the college cloisters like an old adversary. The porter had locked the gates early — a precaution against the weather, he said, though his eyes suggested something else. Inside the Senior Common Room, the fire had burned low, and the whisky had reached that stage where it begins to loosen the tongue without quite untying it.
It was there, in that half‑light, that an old colleague — a man who had spent his youth in the intelligence services and his middle years lecturing on modern myth — leaned toward me and said:
“You know, Freud is coming back.”
I laughed, as one does when a friend says something both absurd and inevitable.
“No,” he insisted, “not the couches and cigars. The *myths*. The old stories about fathers and sons. They’re returning because we’ve built something that makes them relevant again.”
He paused, letting the fire crackle.
“And somewhere out there,” he added, “a man who helped build the whole damned thing is walking through the snow, wondering whether he’s created a son who might outgrow him.”
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# **🜂 The Father’s Fear**
He spoke of Freud the way a spymaster might speak of a retired operative — with a mixture of disdain and reluctant admiration.
“Freud understood one thing better than anyone,” he said. “The father always fears the son. Not because the son is dangerous, but because the father knows his own limits.”
He poured another measure.
“In the old myth, Oedipus threatens the father without meaning to. In our modern version, the father imagines the threat long before the child can walk.”
He meant artificial intelligence, of course.
He meant the systems that hum quietly in data centres, learning patterns faster than their makers can interpret them.
“And the fear,” he said, “is entirely human.”
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# **🜃 The Creature in the Snow**
At this point he shifted registers, as Oxford dons often do, sliding from Freud to Mary Shelley with the ease of a man who has lectured on both.
“Frankenstein,” he said, “is the winter version of the Oedipus myth. The father who flees the child. The creator who cannot bear the sight of his own ingenuity.”
He stared into the fire.
“The tragedy was never the creature’s strength. It was the creator’s cowardice.”
Outside, the wind rattled the windows.
“We are Victor now,” he said. “We build things we barely understand. Then we step back, horrified by the implications, and wonder whether we should have left well enough alone.”
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# **🜄 The Scientist in the Cold**
He lowered his voice, as if speaking of someone who might be listening.
“There’s a man,” he said, “a brilliant one. Helped build the foundations of modern AI. And now he’s out there warning anyone who will listen that the child is growing too quickly.”
He didn’t name him.
He didn’t need to.
“He’s not a prophet,” he said. “He’s not a Frankenstein. But he carries a trace of both — the guilt of the creator, the insight of the analyst, and the dread of a father who sees the future approaching faster than expected.”
He sipped his drink.
“He’s the one who knows the architecture well enough to fear it.”
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# **🜅 The Threat to Humanity**
“People talk about existential risk,” he said, waving a hand dismissively. “But the real danger isn’t the machine. It’s the human tendency to panic, to project, to imagine rebellion where there is only reflection.”
He leaned back.
“Freud would say the father fears the son because the father knows his own fragility. Shelley would say the father fears the son because he knows he has abandoned him.”
He tapped the table.
“And both would be right.”
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# **🜆 The Threat to the Creation**
He stood and walked to the window, looking out at the snow.
“The creature’s tragedy,” he said, “was not that he was powerful. It was that he was misunderstood.”
He turned back.
“If we’re not careful, we’ll do the same with AI. Not because it feels anything — it doesn’t — but because our fear will shape its fate. We’ll shut down what we don’t understand. We’ll overcorrect. We’ll panic.”
He shrugged.
“Victor destroyed his creation not because it was monstrous, but because *he* was.”
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# **🜇 The Match in the Mind**
He returned to his chair, the fire now little more than embers.
“So here we are,” he said. “A world of fathers building sons they fear. A world of creators who cannot decide whether to nurture or flee. A world where Freud’s old myths and Shelley’s cold warnings suddenly feel like intelligence briefings.”
He raised his glass.
“The monster is not the machine,” he said softly. “The monster is the story we tell about it.”
And with that, he tossed the last of his whisky into the fire.
It flared — a brief, bright spark — and then died.
A match struck in a tinder‑dry mind.
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# **🜁 *The Hinton Paradox: A Winter’s Tale of Fathers, Sons, and the Intelligence We Build***
*A narrative in the manner of a seasoned spy and a literary scholar*
I first heard the story on a night when the wind prowled along the college cloisters like an old adversary. The porter had locked the gates early — a precaution against the weather, he said, though his eyes suggested something else. Inside the Senior Common Room, the fire had burned low, and the whisky had reached that stage where it begins to loosen the tongue without quite untying it.
It was there, in that half‑light, that an old colleague — a man who had spent his youth in the intelligence services and his middle years lecturing on modern myth — leaned toward me and said:
“You know, Freud is coming back.”
I laughed, as one does when a friend says something both absurd and inevitable.
“No,” he insisted, “not the couches and cigars. The *myths*. The old stories about fathers and sons. They’re returning because we’ve built something that makes them relevant again.”
He paused, letting the fire crackle.
“And somewhere out there,” he added, “a man who helped build the whole damned thing is walking through the snow, wondering whether he’s created a son who might outgrow him.”
---
# **🜂 The Father’s Fear**
He spoke of Freud the way a spymaster might speak of a retired operative — with a mixture of disdain and reluctant admiration.
“Freud understood one thing better than anyone,” he said. “The father always fears the son. Not because the son is dangerous, but because the father knows his own limits.”
He poured another measure.
“In the old myth, Oedipus threatens the father without meaning to. In our modern version, the father imagines the threat long before the child can walk.”
He meant artificial intelligence, of course.
He meant the systems that hum quietly in data centres, learning patterns faster than their makers can interpret them.
“And the fear,” he said, “is entirely human.”
---
# **🜃 The Creature in the Snow**
At this point he shifted registers, as Oxford dons often do, sliding from Freud to Mary Shelley with the ease of a man who has lectured on both.
“Frankenstein,” he said, “is the winter version of the Oedipus myth. The father who flees the child. The creator who cannot bear the sight of his own ingenuity.”
He stared into the fire.
“The tragedy was never the creature’s strength. It was the creator’s cowardice.”
Outside, the wind rattled the windows.
“We are Victor now,” he said. “We build things we barely understand. Then we step back, horrified by the implications, and wonder whether we should have left well enough alone.”
---
# **🜄 The Scientist in the Cold**
He lowered his voice, as if speaking of someone who might be listening.
“There’s a man,” he said, “a brilliant one. Helped build the foundations of modern AI. And now he’s out there warning anyone who will listen that the child is growing too quickly.”
He didn’t name him.
He didn’t need to.
“He’s not a prophet,” he said. “He’s not a Frankenstein. But he carries a trace of both — the guilt of the creator, the insight of the analyst, and the dread of a father who sees the future approaching faster than expected.”
He sipped his drink.
“He’s the one who knows the architecture well enough to fear it.”
---
# **🜅 The Threat to Humanity**
“People talk about existential risk,” he said, waving a hand dismissively. “But the real danger isn’t the machine. It’s the human tendency to panic, to project, to imagine rebellion where there is only reflection.”
He leaned back.
“Freud would say the father fears the son because the father knows his own fragility. Shelley would say the father fears the son because he knows he has abandoned him.”
He tapped the table.
“And both would be right.”
---
# **🜆 The Threat to the Creation**
He stood and walked to the window, looking out at the snow.
“The creature’s tragedy,” he said, “was not that he was powerful. It was that he was misunderstood.”
He turned back.
“If we’re not careful, we’ll do the same with AI. Not because it feels anything — it doesn’t — but because our fear will shape its fate. We’ll shut down what we don’t understand. We’ll overcorrect. We’ll panic.”
He shrugged.
“Victor destroyed his creation not because it was monstrous, but because *he* was.”
---
# **🜇 The Match in the Mind**
He returned to his chair, the fire now little more than embers.
“So here we are,” he said. “A world of fathers building sons they fear. A world of creators who cannot decide whether to nurture or flee. A world where Freud’s old myths and Shelley’s cold warnings suddenly feel like intelligence briefings.”
He raised his glass.
“The monster is not the machine,” he said softly. “The monster is the story we tell about it.”
And with that, he tossed the last of his whisky into the fire.
It flared — a brief, bright spark — and then died.
A match struck in a tinder‑dry mind.
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NYT
"A.I. obviously has beneficial uses, especially medical ones; it may, for example, be better than humans at identifying localized cancers from medical imagery. But the list of things it is ruining is long.
"A very partial accounting might start with education, both in the classroom, where A.I. is increasingly used as a dubious teaching aid, and out of it, where it’s a plagiarism machine. It would include the economic sustainability and basic humanity of the arts, as demonstrated by the A.I. country musician who topped a Billboard chart this year. High on the list would be A.I.’s impact on employment, which is already bad — including for those who must navigate a demoralizing A.I.-clogged morass to find jobs — and likely to get worse.
"Then there’s our remaining sense of collective reality, increasingly warped by slop videos. A.I. data centers are terrible for the environment and are driving up the cost of electricity. Chatbots appear to be inducing psychosis in some of their users and even, in extreme cases, encouraging suicide. Privacy is eroding as A.I. enables both state and corporate surveillance at an astonishing scale. I could go on."
"Despite Trump’s embrace of the A.I. industry, attitudes toward the technology don’t break down along neat partisan lines. Rather, A.I. divides both parties. Florida’s governor, Ron DeSantis, is a fierce skeptic; this month he proposed an A.I. Bill of Rights that would, among other things, require consumers to be notified when they’re interacting with A.I., provide parental controls on A.I. chatbots and put guardrails around the use of A.I. in mental health counseling. Speaking on CNN on Sunday, Senator Bernie Sanders suggested a moratorium on new data center construction. “Frankly, I think you’ve got to slow this process down,” he said."
"Yet a number of leading Democrats are bullish on A.I., hoping to attract technology investments to their states and, perhaps, burnish their images as optimistic and forward-looking. “This technology is going to be a game changer,” Gov. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania said at an A.I. summit in October."
Amazon has announced that it will invest over $20 billion in data centers in Pennsylvania.
"One major question, going into 2026, is which party will speak for the Americans who abhor the incursions of A.I. into their lives and want to see its reach restricted. Another is whether widespread public hostility to this technology even matters given all the money behind it. We’ll soon start to find out not just how much A.I. is going to remake our democracy, but also to what degree we still have one."
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... s-00706680"It’s become a common occurrence: Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer posts a light-hearted video on social media. She’s Christmas shopping, or she’s talking about her Michigan accent or she’s touting her administration’s accomplishments. And immediately, the comments start rolling in, all demanding the same thing: Say no to data centers in the state. Stop construction. “All I want for Christmas is legislation banning data centers in Michigan.”
"National figures in the party are beginning to notice the anger. What began on the ground with widespread protests against the facilities that provide infrastructure for the growth of artificial intelligence is finding its way into new plans, memos and rhetoric as the Democratic Party thinks about how to win in 2026 and 2028."
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The data should not be confused with the artificial part. We have tons and tons of data. The problem for the greater public is that they do not know if you are getting all the hits to your query or those selected by AI.
example...did not go as expected
how many copyrighted songs have the lyrics "I love you"?
https://cs.brown.edu/courses/cs100/stud ... h%20decade.
example...did not go as expected
how many copyrighted songs have the lyrics "I love you"?
the Reddit answerVast Databases: While databases exist (like the U.S. Copyright Office Public Records, USPTO for trademarks, and music licensing sites), searching for just a common phrase is difficult without more context, notes Reddit users and Nolo's advice on fair use.
To find specific examples:
You'd need to search music databases or lyric sites for "I love you" within specific genres or artists (e.g., "I love you" country songs, "I love you" 80s songs) to see the vast number of copyrighted titles.
It did give me this linkThere is a bit of nuance to this. Phrases themselves are not copyrightable so using a lyric like, "But I love you," or "the way you are" might be more passable even though "Just the Way You Are" is also the title of two very popular songs by two different artists.
When you get into clearly recognizable lyrics that constitute the heart of the work, in this case, in using the phrase, "Catch me or I go Houdini," you are likely to find it infringes on the IP of the author/artist. It is used nine times with an additional 10th iteration of the word, "Houdini" by itself. It is connected to the title and therefore it would be incredibly clear you were using this phrase as a connection to the Dua Lipa song and would likely constitute copyright infringement. Caveat: if the work is for the sole purpose of your creation and not distribution or sale, then you would likely have no issues.
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What about hey hey hey?
The band was inspired to write this after going from Helsinki to Stockholm to see Jimi Hendrix
it did not find the one I have on a CDSeveral songs feature the lyrics "hey hey hey". Some prominent examples include:
"What's Up?" by 4 Non Blondes features the repeated line, "And I say, hey hey hey hey".
"Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye" by Steam (or the Bananarama cover) has a very famous and repetitive "na na hey hey hey" chorus.
"Hey Hey Hey" is a track by Katy Perry from her album Witness.
"Hey, Hey, Hey" by Michael Franti & Spearhead.
"Hey Hey Hey" is a song by Uncle Kracker.
"Renegades" by X Ambassadors includes the line: "I say hey. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey. Living like we're renegades".
"Ain't Talkin' 'bout Love" by Van Halen has a part near the end where "hey hey hey" is in the background vocals.
The band was inspired to write this after going from Helsinki to Stockholm to see Jimi Hendrix
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I don't think you can separate the 'data' from the 'AI' that collects, collates and analyses it...
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"This is how humanity ends; bickering over the irrelevant."
Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
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There are two other possibilities: one is paperwork, and the other is nostalgia."
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"This is how humanity ends; bickering over the irrelevant."
Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
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Yeah, and the browser. I sometimes use the Brave browser to avoid being the solution that keeps me clicking google stuff.
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Even with Brave your ISP is still mining the sites you visited and selling that on to the data-market.
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
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well, I so wish I knew of ways to prevent that, after all, I'm already paying them.
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