Palestine v Israel.

[pErvinalia]

Well they've already bombed Syria, so they needed to find somewhere new. Qatar it was!

[Brian Peacock]

Rogue state Israel bombs yet another country.

they decided Palestine and Lebanon are no longer enough and sent stuff flying to syria or jordania?

No. They bombed the Palestinian delegation in Qatar that were there to negotiate a deal.

They also dropped an incendiary on the main ship in the aid flotilla in Tunisian waters.

[Svartalf]

they really want to have a war against everybody like in 67 again?

[JimC]

A very unwise move, bombing Qatar to attack the Hamas delegation there.

[pErvinalia]

They're a rogue state. They need to be treated as such. Ambassadors should be called in and/or expelled. Sanctions imposed. Isolate them.

[JimC]

Israel has had a tentative, delicate rapprochement with various Arab states in recent years, and Qatar has been emblematic of that, providing possible diplomatic links to Hamas for hostage negotiations. This attack (also killing members of Qatar's security forces) has totally destroyed that relationship, and has indeed shown them to be a rogue state, condemned by virtually all the rest of the world.

[pErvinalia]

I'm waiting for Strontium Dog to pop in and defend them.

[JimC]

I have no particular regrets about the deaths of any Hamas members, given their vicious attack on Israeli civilians, but Israel has clearly reacted in a totally criminal way, both in Gaza and this attack on Qatar.

[Brian Peacock]

UN report on Isreal's action in Gaza (PDF) concludes that Isreal has/is committing a genocide.

Conclusions

The Commission’s analysis in this report relates solely to the determination of genocide under the Genocide Convention as it relates to the responsibility of the State of Israel both for the failure to prevent genocide, for committing genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza since October 2023 and for the failure to punish genocide. The Commission also notes that, while its analysis is limited to the Palestinians specifically in Gaza during the period since 7 October 2023, it nevertheless raises the serious concern that the specific intent to destroy the Palestinians as a whole has extended to the rest of the occupied Palestinian territory, that is, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, based on Israeli authorities’ and Israeli security forces’ actions therein, and to the period before 7 October 2023. The events in Gaza since 7 October 2023 have not occurred in isolation, as the Commission has noted. They were preceded by decades of unlawful occupation and repression under an ideology requiring the removal of the Palestinian population from their lands and its replacement.

The Commission concludes on reasonable grounds that the Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces have committed and are continuing to commit the following actus reus of genocide against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, namely (i) killing members of the group; (ii) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (iii) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (iv) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.

On incitement to genocide, the Commission concludes that Israeli President Isaac Herzog, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and then Defence Minister Yoav Gallant, have incited the commission of genocide and that Israeli authorities have failed to take action against them to punish this incitement. The Commission has not fully assessed statements by other Israeli political and military leaders, including Minister for National Security Itamar Ben-Gvir and Minister for Finance Bezalel Smotrich, and considers that they too should be assessed to determine whether they constitute incitement to commit genocide.

On the mens rea of genocide, the Commission concludes that statements made by Israeli authorities are direct evidence of genocidal intent. In addition, the Commission concludes that the pattern of conduct is circumstantial evidence of genocidal intent and that genocidal intent was the only reasonable inference that could be drawn from the totality of the evidence. Thus, the Commission concludes that the Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces have had and continue to have the genocidal intent to destroy, in whole or in part, the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

The Commission concludes that the State of Israel bears responsibility for the failure to prevent genocide, the commission of genocide and the failure to punish genocide against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

At the press conference the commission's chair said: "The international community cannot stay silent on the genocidal campaign launched by Israel against the Palestinian people in Gaza. When clear signs and evidence of genocide emerge, the absence of action to stop it amounts to complicity."

[Svartalf]

let's be honest, the palestinian/gazan genocide will only be recognized when the state of israel no longer exists

[JimC]

This conflict will go on forever...

[Svartalf]

not if, 78 years after the exodus kerfuffle, the UK at last decides to assume its responsibilities, and sends a couple Vanguard subs below the Iron Dome to betrident every strategic israeli facility and make them naked to their enemies unless THEY become reasonable enough that WE may decide to protect them

[JimC]

Ain't goin' to happen, Svarty...

[pErvinalia]

Qatar will send a sub.

[Svartalf]

Ain't goin' to happen, Svarty...

I know, but I dream of people doing the right thing, for once