Will Musk be the next Trump?

[Cunt]

1. There is a court order stating that he is not to be deported to El Salvador

2. He was deported by mistake not only to El Salvador but to a prison there

I'm not sure what part of that you don't understand. You're arguing like it doesn't exist. It'd be more believable if you acknowledged the problem and then provided your solution. But nobody is supposed to be above the law.

It's okay that you don't get this. Few people without actual experience on either side of the law do. But rest assured, the courts aren't going to make an exception for the government regarding their conveniently forgetting a court order. They aren't above the law.

I heard that, I also heard different.

So he WAS in the US illegally, and should have been deported, but you think NOT to his home country, is that right?

He wasn't deported by mistake, it was deliberate.

As to whether he was a gang member, would you bet lives on it?

https://x.com/ZaphodsP87471/status/1912619151014965408



It's weird to defend THIS guy, when there MUST be bigger mistakes made by the deporters...this is really the most egregious error the media can highlight? Come on, smearmerchants - do better!

[Sean Hayden]

I heard that, I also heard different.

We can stop there. Provide the different you heard. Did you hear there was no court order stating he was not to be deported to El Salvador?

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Everything after that is just you still failing to understand how the law works. Like I said, that's alright. Any lawyers around here could probably fill pages with all the very good reasons their clients have had for not doing what they were supposed to.

[L'Emmerdeur]

The accusation of gang membership appears to be based entirely on a police informant's say-so. That information is problematic at best.

Officers at the Prince George's County Police Department said the men were "loitering" and subsequently identified Mr Abrego Garcia and two of the others as members of MS-13.

In a document titled the "Gang Field Interview Sheet", the local police detailed their observations.

They said Mr Abrego Garcia was wearing a "Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie with rolls of money covering the eyes, ears and mouth of the presidents on the separate denominations".

Officers claimed the clothing was "indicative of the Hispanic gang culture" and that "wearing the Chicago Bulls hat represents thay (sic) they are a member in good standing with the MS-13".

Steven Dudley, a journalist and author who has spent years studying the MS-13 gang, said that it is true that "at some point, the Chicago Bulls logo with the horns became a stand-in of sorts for the MS-13's devil horns symbol".

But wearing the logo of the hugely popular basketball team, he added, is of course not exclusive to the gang.

"Any assertions about gang affiliation would need to be corroborated with testimony, criminal history, and other corroborating evidence," Mr Dudley said.

According to the field interview sheet and other court documents, officers said they were also advised by a "proven and reliable source" that Mr Abrego Garcia was an active member of MS-13's "westerns clique", with the rank of "chequeo".

However, Mr Dudley says that a "chequeo" is not a rank but is instead used to refer to recruits who are yet to be initiated.

Lawyers for Mr Abrego Garcia's argued in court filings that the "westerns clique" is based in New York, where they say their client has never lived. And according to government documents, he has dismissed the information given to police against him as "hearsay".

According to his lawyers, Mr Abrego Garcia has never been convicted of any criminal offence, including gang membership, in the US or in El Salvador. He lived in the US for 14 years, had three children and worked in construction, according to court records.

But the judge who presided over his 2019 case said that based on the confidential information, there was sufficient evidence to support Mr Abrego Garcia's gang membership. That finding was later upheld by another judge.

As a result Mr Abrego Garcia was refused bail and remained in custody. During this time he applied for asylum to prevent his deportation to El Salvador.

In October 2019 he was granted a "withholding of removal" order, court documents show - a status different from asylum, but one which prevented the US government from sending him back to El Salvador because he could face harm.

Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say that he was granted the status based on his "well-founded" fear of persecution by Barrio-18, the main rival gang of MS-13.

He said that prior to him entering the US, his family and their business had been threatened and extorted by Barrio-18.

Since 2019, when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident".

[source]

[Cunt]

Yes, lets stop at the court documents saying 'he was a verified member of MS-13'

Everything after that is just anti-Trump media trying desperately to paint him as a victim, when really he was just forced out of the country he snuck into illegally.

The gang stuff is between him, the courts who ruled he was a member, and his home country.

[Brian Peacock]

He was given a life sentence in a foreign prison without a trial. Tell me again why this should not only be allowed to happen, but why it's a course of action to be endorsed, encouraged and supported?

[Cunt]

He was given a life sentence in a foreign prison without a trial. Tell me again why this should not only be allowed to happen, but why it's a course of action to be endorsed, encouraged and supported?

Lots of countries have lots of conflicting legal approaches. Theirs is to be overzealous in jailing gang members.

Have you checked what the citizens of El Salvador think?

He committed a crime in the US. He got kicked out. Is someone making a case that it would be better if he stayed? What is that based on?

Just the idea that he needed more hearings? Or the judge who wanted him to stay outranks any silly old president?

[Cunt]

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1913743600027947215
commenting on a meme he reposted...

Hmm

I think the implication is that there are forces opposing deportation in general. Not openly, of course. They'll always try to make it sound like simple fairness, rather than obstructing the will of the people.

[macdoc]

rather than obstructing the will of the people.

You reallllllllly reallllllly don't get it do you????
Fucking stupid blind populist.


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[Cunt]

Wait - so when democracy insists that USAID must be funded by taxpayers whether they approve of the purpose or not, but the 'populist' candidate must not be respected?

Gotcha. I think I understand your position on 'the will of the people'. It's ok as long as the people don't disagree with Brussels lol

[L'Emmerdeur]

His heart goes out to you.

Huge success (or not so much--notifications of termination of employment may be retracted but for now get lost) gutting much of the apparatus of gov that he doesn't like or Trump doesn't like, or MAGA in general has an ick for. Really nasty things like climate science and other leftist gobbledegook. You know.

Competence is not a requirement, just a willingness to take a sledgehammer to government programs and people's careers. A recent example, though of course they've begun to pile up.

'Whistleblower claims DOGE triggered Russian cyberattack at US labor watchdog'

The protected whistleblower and NLRB civil servant, Dan Berulis, said he witnessed DOGE workers harvesting “nearly the entirety” of the labor board’s “critical information systems.”

According to the Washington, DC-based advocate group Whistleblower Aids, DOGE’s activity with the Board’s IT infrastructure “has exposed the data in those systems for exploitation by foreign adversaries, posing a grave risk to national security.”

In fact, the non-profit organization claims that, besides "unlawfully plundering the data of millions of Americans," it's no coincidence that a short time after DOGE accessed NLRB's systems, Russian threat actors attempted to log into the network – even using the correct login credentials.

“Within minutes of DOGE personnel creating service/user accounts in NLRB systems – someone or something within Russia appeared to attempt to log in using all of the correct credentials (eg, Usernames/Passwords) on several occasions,” said Whistleblower Aid Chief Legal Counsel Andrew Bakaj.

Could be that Musk's boy geniuses are using devices that have been infected with some effective malware. It could have been a coincidence. Or malware.

[Tero]

How on earth did Musk think he was going to be likeable in the national spotlight? Sure he was liked in the maga/toxic male talk shows. But that's like..just young males.

[L'Emmerdeur]

No surprise that Musk's version of 'government efficiency' has an unpleasant definition: Making government more efficient at crapping on the lives of citizens. It's the time-honored Republican playbook, slightly updated. Claim that government doesn't work, cripple the institutions of government, and then point to what a mess it is--best to just privatize or eliminate it entirely!

'Musk Goons Purged Living U.S. Citizens from Social Security'

What might be called Day of the Dead Living is being continually played out at a Social Security Administration (SSA) office in upstate New York, and likely across the country.

“We have people who did not receive benefits come in every day with their ID and say, ‘I’m not dead, I’m alive!” says Rennie Glasgow, a claims technical analyst with 15 years of experience at the agency who handles the most challenging cases at the Schenectady office.

These supposed dead are not to be confused with more than 6,000 living immigrants the Trump administration moved to the SSA Death Master File (DMF) in an attempt to force them to self-deport by depriving them of the ability to work legally.

Many more American citizens were wrongly consigned to the DMF after Elon Musk’s DOGE goons bullied their way onto the SSA’s databases and mistakenly decided that “countless” people listed as 120 years old and older were receiving benefits.

“[DOGE staffers] went into the system and they killed off people,” Glasgow told the Daily Beast. “About 4 million people, they marked them as dead. But they’re not sure if those people were supposed to be marked as dead, so they’re sending us an email saying, ‘If these people come into the office with their identification, you can reinstate them.’”

The 55-year-old father of six added, “So we’re going to be resurrecting a lot of dead people.”

And restoring financial life is never simple.

“We have to go through this long process to resurrect them, to get them back as alive, which can take about three to four days,” Glasgow said.

He noted that until people get off the DMF, they endure a kind of financial death.

“When they mark someone dead on the Social Security record, it stops their life,” he said. “It stops their car payments, it stops their credit, it stops their ability to do anything. Their identification gets flagged. And most times those things have to go to the payment center.”

The system’s payment centers have suffered DOGE cutbacks that have at least doubled and maybe tripled the wait people must endure.

“What used to take 15 days to get done when we send something to a payment center is now taking about 30 to 45,” Glasgow reported.

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Glasgow, who is vice president of the union representing the region’s SSA workers, Local 3343 of the American Federation of Government Employees, cannot help but feel there is a deliberate effort to sabotage the heretofore-popular SSA to the point that the public will turn against it. The next step would be privatization and access to the trillions in the SSA coffers.

Whatever the motive, the purported “efficiency” people are creating onerous inefficiencies.

[Brian Peacock]

... Competence is not a requirement...

In fact, competence has to be deliberately neutered, and where possible excluded. Not only does Trump personally think he's always the brightest person in the room, in order for the president's office to work politically he needs to be seen to be the brightest person in the room.

[Tero]

watcher.guru
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JUST IN: Elon Musk says the US Government was "partying on taxpayer money."
https://www.threads.com/@watcher.guru/p ... L8aQFlECXg

[Joe]

So DOGE says it saved $160 billion, but...

GOP balks at approving even a fraction of Musk’s DOGE cuts

White House officials have in recent weeks brainstormed strategies for enshrining into law the government cuts implemented by billionaire Elon Musk’s team, aiming to turn the U.S. DOGE Service’s moves into lasting policy shifts.

So far, however, administration officials are running into resistance not just from Democrats, but also from congressional Republicans, who have in private conversations made clear that it would be difficult to codify even a small fraction of the measures that Musk’s team unilaterally implemented, according to lawmakers and several other people familiar with the discussions. GOP members of Congress have also raised concerns about tackling cuts as Republicans are trying to corral their rowdy and tiny majorities into extending tax cuts in one “big, beautiful bill” that President Donald Trump has demanded.

The impasse over DOGE reflects a looming challenge for the administration’s vision of a sprawling overhaul of federal agencies. With both the courts and Congress refusing to provide legal cover to spending cuts that Musk forced through, the administration is running out of options for ensuring that its unilateral reductions take effect — potentially limiting DOGE’s lasting impact despite the disruption it brought to the government.

“None of the activities of the DOGE have heretofore had any impact on the budget, the debt or the deficit. Until Congress acts, those savings don’t really become real,” said Robert Shea, a Republican who served in senior political roles at the White House budget office.

The White House — which released its budget proposal Friday — has to choose between implementing the funding Congress approved or violating federal budget law, triggering a constitutional crisis, according to Shea and several other budget experts.

The administration initially floated sending $9.3 billion of DOGE cuts to the Hill, which would encompass DOGE’s elimination of the main agency providing foreign aid, the U.S. Agency for International Development, as well as zeroing out some money for public broadcasting. The cuts would take just 51 votes in the Senate to pass, which means lawmakers would not need to worry about a Democratic filibuster to make the cuts permanent, under a provision in the 1974 budget law that allows requests for rescinded funding to be expedited. Musk has claimed $160 billion in savings so far.

This week, however, lawmakers began to raise concerns about even that smaller effort, with Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) telling colleagues she would have trouble supporting cuts to PEPFAR, an effort to combat HIV/AIDS abroad that other foreign-policy-minded senators also support.

“I think it depends what’s in it precisely,” Collins said of the package’s chances of passing in the Senate. “For example, the $8.3 billion in foreign aid cuts, if that includes the women’s global health initiative as is rumored, if it cuts PEPFAR as it may, I don’t see those passing.”

Collins added that the Senate can amend the rescission request, which could address those issues.

“Until we see precisely what it is, I think it’s really hard to predict,” she said.

Rep. Tom Cole (R-Oklahoma) said passing DOGE cuts could also be difficult in the House, given the GOP’s tiny majority. Cole, the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, asked the administration to review the package before it is submitted to ensure the cuts have political support.

“Do you really want to roll out and have a failure?” Cole said. “I think if they put it out there, they need to succeed at it.”