All Things Trump: The Return Of The King

[Tero]

Well the left is not likely to have guns. It's hard to be threatening with a pocket knife.

Only the poorest democrats carry guns. They live in crappy neighborhoods.

[Cunt]

Well the left is not likely to have guns. It's hard to be threatening with a pocket knife.

Only the poorest democrats carry guns. They live in crappy neighborhoods.

He said, after reading about Luigi M, his (alleged) daylight murder of a father and the long list of left-wing shooters in recent years...

Was Routh a lefty to you? Did he really seek missle donations from Ukraine?

How about Crooks? Poorest Democrats group? Or child of psychologists who provided him a privileged life?

[Tero]

"The anti-DEI folks are all in favor of enforced "viewpoint diversity", i.e., all in favor of DEI when it comes to hiring conservative faculty members or accepting conservative students."

[Tero]

I'm getting a new type of begging letter from groups and politicians. They need money to sue Trump.

[L'Emmerdeur]

This appears to be based entirely on selective amnesia and feelings.

Or your misunderstanding.

I was asking about the last 4 years.

Not solid comparative data nor unbiased evidence. If I went a similar route I could start throwing out examples like the Tree of Life synagogue shooting and multiple right wing politically motivated mass shootings in the US, then go on to point out the massacres in Norway, in New Zealand, etc. That's not going to get anywhere, it's just empty yapping.

I think all your examples are further back than 4 years.

I was also thinking about the US, since many don't see the left/right divide the same way across the pond.

On the other hand we have scientific studies which refute your claims, but then that means listening to people who've devoted their lives to learning and understanding, and we all know they're untrustworthy, right?

In short, our individual-level examination found that among radicalized individuals in the United States, those adhering to a left-wing ideology were markedly less likely to engage in violent ideologically motivated acts when compared to right-wing individuals. By contrast, we found no such difference between Islamist and right-wing individuals. Reanalyzing the data with left-wing individuals being a reference category showed that the difference between Islamist and left-wing individuals was also significant .

...

Despite the limitations of our data, the finding that right-wing and Islamist cases are more violent than left-wing cases may have special relevance for the current time period. The surge in Islamist terrorism following the 9/11 attacks, driven by groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS, has been widely perceived as resulting in the increased deadliness of worldwide terrorism attacks. More recently, there has been growing evidence of a rising tide of populist-driven right-wing extremism in countries around the world. Nearly 50 years ago, Jenkins noted that “terrorists want a lot of people watching and a lot of people listening, and not a lot of people dead.” Three decades later, Jenkins modified his original observation and made it more in keeping with our results from right-wing and Islamist extremists: “many of today’s terrorists want a lot of people watching and a lot of people dead.”

[source]

The above is one example, but as noted in that paper, their findings are consistent with previous examinations of politically motivated violence.

Are they saying that Islamist terrorism is right-wing?

I guess it is, but more often I see them aligned with left-wing groups.

Anyway, the list I offered was in the recent past, and all left-wing. Look at how many want to celebrate the guy who shot someone in the back on the street. Luigi has a lot of open support, for a guy who allegedly murdered someone he thought had the wrong kind of job. Maybe the left should be more explicit about condemning murderers...

Your list is faulty. You claimed 'endless examples' but presented only four. The Butler assassination attempt isn't clearly from left or right. The shooter donated $15 to a Democratic group in 2021, but was registered to vote as a Republican. Routh criticized both Republicans and Democrats. There are plenty of people on the right who're outraged by Musk taking a wrecking ball to Medicare and Social Security, but we'll just assume that all vandalism against Teslas is leftist, because. The killing of the health insurance executive seems solidly on the left. Not sure what you're getting at with 'Ukraine' and 'trantifa.'

From 2023:

In the early 1970s, American political violence was perpetrated more often by radicals on the left and focused largely on destroying property, such as government buildings, said Rachel Kleinfeld, who studies political conflict and extremism at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a Washington think tank. “There were many, many bombings, but usually at night, or after called-in warnings,” she said. “The goal was not to kill people; it was to affect decisions” by policymakers.

In contrast, much of today’s political violence is aimed at people – and most of the deadly outbursts tracked by Reuters have come from the right. Of the 14 fatal political attacks since the Capitol riot [2021] in which the perpetrator or suspect had a clear partisan leaning, 13 were right-wing assailants. One was on the left.

[source]

We can add the insurance exec to that but the imbalance remains.

In any case, it's not as if facts matter to you. You'll carry on with your narrative regardless.

[Tero]

Trial by press secretary
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmund3ri7k2o

[Brian Peacock]

How much does it cost to make a 100 dollar pair of shoes halfway around the world? What’s to stop you making it here, besides much smaller profit margins, and is that what the left is saying: hey idiots they can’t exploit others for profit you better get with the program!?

Resources, processing, distribution, transport, storage all have to be accounted for before assembly, which includes premises, energy, machinery, training, quality control, packaging, and staff of course - then there's the retail side with more distribution, storage, staff, display, advertising etc etc. There's a lot of costs. Volume sellers can probably afford to make less on each item than smaller or niche sellers. I don't think the left (well, me) is saying that it can't be done, that the US can't reboot the manufacturing base it's systematically outsourced to some of the poorest countries in the world, just that's it's unlikely shareholders will be happy to see their dividends go down - 'specially considering that about 90% of US listed company profits go on shareholder dividends and/or stock buy-backs.

Of course they don’t want to, and it would probably be suicide given competitors aren’t going to follow. But that’s not the point. The point is the tension between saying the system is exploitative , and then arguing on its behalf when it’s threatened.

Our tendency is to suggest that our hand is forced, that doing otherwise would be more harmful. But this is always the case —always. How can that be?

Yeah, I get that. A lot of the commentaries have spent the last couple of weeks pointing and laughing at Trump for breaking something that was already broken. Tariffs aren't necessarily bad in themselves - they can raise revenues and protect certain sectors. They can even protect economies more broadly by insulating it from destabilising external forces. What's false though is telling stories about how the world's hegemonic superpower with custodianship of the world's reserve currency is actually the put upon partner, or even the victim when it comes to its trading relationships with somewhere like Vietnam - therefore a massive hike in tariffs are a necessary moral as well as economic corrective.

Thanks for indulging this bit of naivete Brian. I agree that the tariffs are probably immoral. But it is problematic that our defense of workers in this instance also benefits their antagonist. If for no other reason than workers are so susceptible to rising costs because of businesses that sold them out to compete.

In my view it's important to on focus people, on workers and their dependents, at home and abroad, at times like this (when isn't it a 'time like this'?), because whatever the economic argument for/against whatever idea/policy in the end it's ordinary people who experience the real-world consequences. We live in an interconnected global economic and political environment (and increasingly social environment) so the jobs of defence workers in the US are very much linked to the jobs people do in other parts of the world to produce the parts and materials their companies need and use. Effectively threatening jobs in some of the poorest parts of the world is counterproductive even by US standards!! - particularly given the long investment and lead times to rebuild those offshore services onshore. If shaking down those with the least leverage and/or ability to pay wasn't the actual plan then maybe crashing the markets for a few days in order to enrich themselves on the bounce was the main objective after all?

[Cunt]

Your list is faulty. You claimed 'endless examples' but presented only four.

You are right of course. All the ones I can remember are Demmie/lefty violence, but the list isn't endless.

The Butler assassination attempt isn't clearly from left or right.

The Butler assassination was a kid with two psychologist parents raising him, and he killed a 'rightie', while nearly killing the Republican candidate.

The shooter donated $15 to a Democratic group in 2021, but was registered to vote as a Republican.

OK, so you consider killing Trump rally attendees and trying to kill the Republican candidate some kind of ruse? I don't understand how you can think it's a 'rightie', unless you are joking.

Routh criticized both Republicans and Democrats.

Of COURSE he did, but he hid in the bushes trying to be in place to shoot someone at a golf course where Trump just happened to be playing golf.

If Routh’s covert dealings with a Mexican human smuggler weren’t surprising enough, the DOJ also said in its motion that he tried buying a anti-aircraft weapons from a Ukrainian associate last August. As has been widely documented, Routh was an avid Ukraine supporter who travelled there after Russia’s invasion in early 2022. He volunteered to fight, but was rejected due to his age—leaving him to recruit others for the warfighting effort.

Is there a problem with acknowledging his clear 'Demmie' credentials?

There are plenty of people on the right who're outraged by Musk taking a wrecking ball to Medicare and Social Security, but we'll just assume that all vandalism against Teslas is leftist, because.

I have seen enough vandals who look 'Demmie', but you are welcome to offer examples of terrorism vandals attacking Tesla for the 'right-wing'.

For now, the only people using that kind of terrorism are identifying themselves nice and clear. I mean, it IS being done to send a message.

The killing of the health insurance executive seems solidly on the left. Not sure what you're getting at with 'Ukraine' and 'trantifa.'

Trantifa and every violent act they do is solidly 'Demmie', and can't be attributed to the right.

Of course, if your Dem-friendly reporting haven't been covering it, you might think it's very minor.

With regards to Ukraine, see about Routh above, or consider how much the political left aligned with that country, despite it's habit of losing a lot of funds to corruption.

From 2023:

In the early 1970s, American political violence was perpetrated more often by radicals on the left and focused largely on destroying property, such as government buildings, said Rachel Kleinfeld, who studies political conflict and extremism at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a Washington think tank. “There were many, many bombings, but usually at night, or after called-in warnings,” she said. “The goal was not to kill people; it was to affect decisions” by policymakers.

We can add the insurance exec to that but the imbalance remains.

In any case, it's not as if facts matter to you. You'll carry on with your narrative regardless.

13 right wing violent events aimed at people, only 1 on the left. Hmmm...I wonder if they count all incidences of vehicles driving over Chrismas parade attendees as left-wing or right-wing.

Their numbers seem as suspect as your belief that the dudes trying to shoot Trump were not clearly on the Demmie side.

I am carefully considering the 'right-wing violence' examples you offered. I'll weigh them against the 'left-wing violence' that is happening.

[Brian Peacock]

This appears to be based entirely on selective amnesia and feelings.

Or your misunderstanding.

I was asking about the last 4 years.

Not solid comparative data nor unbiased evidence. If I went a similar route I could start throwing out examples like the Tree of Life synagogue shooting and multiple right wing politically motivated mass shootings in the US, then go on to point out the massacres in Norway, in New Zealand, etc. That's not going to get anywhere, it's just empty yapping.

I think all your examples are further back than 4 years.

I was also thinking about the US, since many don't see the left/right divide the same way across the pond.

On the other hand we have scientific studies which refute your claims, but then that means listening to people who've devoted their lives to learning and understanding, and we all know they're untrustworthy, right?

In short, our individual-level examination found that among radicalized individuals in the United States, those adhering to a left-wing ideology were markedly less likely to engage in violent ideologically motivated acts when compared to right-wing individuals. By contrast, we found no such difference between Islamist and right-wing individuals. Reanalyzing the data with left-wing individuals being a reference category showed that the difference between Islamist and left-wing individuals was also significant .

...

Despite the limitations of our data, the finding that right-wing and Islamist cases are more violent than left-wing cases may have special relevance for the current time period. The surge in Islamist terrorism following the 9/11 attacks, driven by groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS, has been widely perceived as resulting in the increased deadliness of worldwide terrorism attacks. More recently, there has been growing evidence of a rising tide of populist-driven right-wing extremism in countries around the world. Nearly 50 years ago, Jenkins noted that “terrorists want a lot of people watching and a lot of people listening, and not a lot of people dead.” Three decades later, Jenkins modified his original observation and made it more in keeping with our results from right-wing and Islamist extremists: “many of today’s terrorists want a lot of people watching and a lot of people dead.”

[source]

The above is one example, but as noted in that paper, their findings are consistent with previous examinations of politically motivated violence.

Are they saying that Islamist terrorism is right-wing?

I guess it is, but more often I see them aligned with left-wing groups.

Anyway, the list I offered was in the recent past, and all left-wing. Look at how many want to celebrate the guy who shot someone in the back on the street. Luigi has a lot of open support, for a guy who allegedly murdered someone he thought had the wrong kind of job. Maybe the left should be more explicit about condemning murderers...

It's understandable you're going to see a lot more political violence that's labelled left-wing than labelled right-wing, because you're exposed to and/or consume, and reproduce here, right-wing perspectives and ideology almost exclusively. That's why you'll always condemn attacks on property or protests, demonstrations, and boycotts as terrorism and ignore and routinely categorise right-wing violent action as an affirmation of free speech rights, rightful and legitimate protest, the expression of patriotism, pre-emptive self-defence, a false flag actually committed by the left, or the fault of the victims, etc etc, if you bother to talk about it at all.

[Cunt]

I would see a slant, granted. But also I offered a handful of clear, specific examples.

[Tero]

US Judge to Trump lawyers:
Judge Xinis was also getting shorter and more direct with the adminstration, saying "We have to give process to both sides, but we're going to move… there will be no tolerance for gamesmanship or grandstanding." She also ordered depositions of Trump officials (depositions are when attorneys from the other side meet with you and ask you questions, under oath), and that they be completed by the 23rd (very short timing for what is known as "discovery", of which depositions are a form)... (4/5)

and when the lawyers for the administration balked she said "cancel vacations, cancel other appointments." The judge also made very clear that she is considering contempt charges, adding that "Every day Mr. Abrego Garcia is detained in CECOT is another date of irreparable harm." (5/5)

https://www.threads.net/@annepmitchelle ... 3PeCqFHIrQ

[Cunt]

Is this the case where a judge is ordering Trump to gather a 'Maryland Man' (who is also an illegal immigrant/citizen of El Salvador), break him out of prison, and bring him back?

Cause that sounds a bit more jurisprudence than most Demmies manage...

[pErvinalia]

in the last four years, there are endless examples of left-wing violence (tesla burnings/Trump Butler shooting/Trump golf course attempted assassination by Routh/Ukraine/Luigi/trantifa)

I'm wondering what examples of 'right-wing violence' are being used to try to make it sound like the right is the violence party? I can't think of much of it.

Was it all a lie by Demmies?

January 6.

[Brian Peacock]

ICE Agents Realize They Arrested Wrong Teen, Say 'Take Him Anyway'

Federal immigration authorities apprehended a 19-year-old in New York despite realizing he was not the intended target.

The young man, Merwil Gutiérrez, was later deported to El Salvador's notorious super prison, despite his family's insistence that he has no gang ties or criminal history.

His father, Wilmer Gutiérrez, is now searching for answers after his son was snatched by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents.

"The officers grabbed him and two other boys right at the entrance to our building. One said, 'No, he's not the one,' like they were looking for someone else. But the other said, 'Take him anyway,'" Wilmer told Documented, "an independent, nonprofit newsroom dedicated to reporting for immigrant communities in New York City."

...

According to his father, the agents initially acknowledged he was not the individual they were seeking—but chose to detain him anyway.

Just days later, Gutiérrez was deported to El Salvador, where he was transferred to a high security prison known for housing members of violent gangs, including the transnational criminal group Tren de Aragua.

His family and attorneys say he has no criminal record, no gang affiliations, and "not even a tattoo," which authorities often use to profile alleged gang members.

Wilmer Gutiérrez last spoke to his son on March 16 during a brief call allowed by police. He had spent days searching for information, visiting police stations and courthouses, only to be told there was no record of his son.

During the call, Merwil Gutiérrez said he was being held in Pennsylvania and expected to be transferred to Texas before returning to Venezuela. That transfer never happened.

Wilmer Gutiérrez later discovered through a news report that his son had been deported to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. Videos circulating online showed detainees in harsh conditions, their heads shaved and marched to cells.

"I could have understood if he'd been sent back to Venezuela," he said. "But why to a foreign country he's never even been to?"...

[Sean Hayden]

They aren’t coming back unless it can be spun as a win for Trump.

Unfortunately this isn’t the first time we’ve disappeared people without due process, so it’s unlikely any radical action will be taken to save them.

Maybe sympathetic city leaders need to step up and start protecting these families.