Palestine v Israel.

[Sean Hayden]

It’s all the rage.

[Brian Peacock]

All the rage.

[pErvinalia]

The rage.

[Sean Hayden]

Has anyone read anything credible about why Israel didn’t just immediately secure the border and treat this as a police operation?

[rainbow]

OK, but the IDF are the biggest terrorist organisation in the middle east.

They are also holding 10 000 hostages in their prisons and are guilty of torture.

This equating of innocent women and children kidnapped from their homes with criminals in prison is easily the most offensively stupid Hamas apologia around.

Palestinians are being held under administrative detention without trial, so these are not criminals. They are hostages.

[rainbow]

So the 40 odd thousand Palestinians killed so far are all terrorists?

First off, "40 thousand" should be in quotes, because it comes straight from Hamas. You're not a Hamas supporter are you? So you shouldn't be spreading their propaganda.

Secondly, I don't think anyone has claimed every single one of the dead is a terrorist. They're also the families of terrorists, the "civilians" who feed and clothe and otherwise offer sustenance and succour to the terrorists, along with some who I would presume are innocent and are therefore the victims of Hamas's human shield tactics.

By your logic every Israeli citizen that supports the IDF is a fair target.

[pErvinalia]

SD has been very confused lately. Is he OK?

[Strontium Dog]

Palestinians are being held under administrative detention without trial, so these are not criminals. They are hostages.

No, they're criminals. Happy to help.

By your logic every Israeli citizen that supports the IDF is a fair target.

In addition to not knowing the difference between a hostage and a prisoner, do you also need help understanding the difference between the legitimate army of a democratic sovereign nation and a terrorist organisation?

[Brian Peacock]

Seems the difference between a hostage and a prisoner depends on who is using the words.

[pErvinalia]

Palestinians are being held under administrative detention without trial, so these are not criminals. They are hostages.

No, they're criminals.

Prove it. I'll wait.

[Sean Hayden]

The problem with “one man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter” in this instance would seem to be along the lines of “a hopeless situation”: they kill with no real prospect of achieving their goal. And yes that’s an actual criteria put forward by some experts to help distinguish between terrorism and “legitimate violence”.

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I want to know why Israel did not secure the border and treat this as a police operation, and for the same reason why Hamas can’t see the sense in non-violence.

[rainbow]

Palestinians are being held under administrative detention without trial, so these are not criminals. They are hostages.

No, they're criminals.

Prove it. I'll wait.

They have not been charged. This means that they are not even suspects awaiting trial.

They are hostages.

[Brian Peacock]

Many are confined under "administration detention" - which is a form of incarceration that allows military authorities to hold Palestinians indefinitely without charge or trial, exempts the Israeli govt from acknowledging that a person is detained, and where their incarceration is acknowledged also means that any evidence against them can be, and usually is withheld from the detainee and their legal representative - if they even have one.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20171 ... epression/

[rainbow]

https://www.btselem.org/administrative_ ... statistics

[Brian Peacock]

The US approveds the sale of $20bn in fighter jets and other military equipment to Israel so the far right govt can keep up indiscriminate bombings.

Four-day-old twins killed in Gaza by Israeli airstrike as father registered births

Four-day-old twins have been killed in an Israeli airstrike in Gaza while their father went to register their birth, he has said, as Israel continued its bombardment of the territory.

Mohamed Abuel-Qomasan said his wife, Joumana Arafa, a pharmacist, had given birth by caesarean section four days earlier and announced the twins’ arrival on Facebook, the Associated Press reported.

On Tuesday, he had gone to register the births at a local government office. While he was there, neighbours called to say the home where he was sheltering, near the central city of Deir al-Balah, had been bombed.

“I don’t know what happened,” he told the AP while sitting at the hospital where their bodies were taken, holding the twins’ birth certificates. “I am told it was a shell that hit the house.”

The strike that killed the newborns – a boy, Asser, and a girl, Ayssel – also killed their mother, Arafa, as well as her mother, the twins’ grandmother. Abuel-Qomasan and his wife had heeded orders to evacuate Gaza City in the opening weeks of the war. They sought shelter in central Gaza, as the army had instructed...

Israel isn't just prosecution it's war against the newly born, but against the unborn as well - shelling Gaza's only fertility clinic, it's lab and storage facilities....

War halts IVF treatment in Gaza as parents mourn ‘miracle’ children

t took surgery and five years of IVF treatment for Amal to fall pregnant for the first and only time. That struggle against infertility lasted almost as long as her son Khaled’s short life. He was just seven years old when on 17 October an Israeli airstrike on Rafah, one of the first of the war, hit the family home.

Khaled was killed and Amal was plunged into a grief heightened by memories of her long battle to become a mother. Sometimes she struggles to keep going. “Death, in all its finality, seems less daunting than the relentless pain of living without Khaled,” she said. “He was the most precious thing in my life.”

The war in Gaza has created a grim inventory of different forms of loss. Among them is the particular pain of current and former IVF patients, in a place where large families are common and children are often the heart of daily life...