American Politics from 2019 on

[JimC]

even here I feel voting is pointless, the rotten ones always win

There's an old Australian saying:

"No matter who you vote for, a politician always gets in"

[Tero]

NYT

Biden’s campaign chair, Jen O’Malley Dillon, is trying to reassure donors that the president can still win despite his shaky debate with Trump.
The Biden campaign is discussing having him participate in an interview or news conference to address voters’ concerns about his age.
If Biden were to end his re-election bid, Kamala Harris would be the likeliest alternative, despite her own political weaknesses, The Wall Street Journal reports.
On social media, Trump circulated posts that called for the jailing of Biden, Harris, Mike Pence and others.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s presidential campaign is running out of cash and laying off staff. An allied group is raising money to help get him on state ballots.

The recent events and the angst with Trump becoming a dictator means that Kennedy et al will get almost nothíng. Even the low information voter will decide between America First/democracy.

[Tero]

Mostly waiting now.

They have polls that match a good number of candidates. If you present it the right way, the voters will probably say what they think, Kamala vs Trump for instance. However, the voters know the actual situation. If Biden drops out, you will get a realistic answer about two weeks later.

Now, the Democrats may be planning something. And Biden will be presented with a successor. Just one. We will quickly have the one candidate, despite the fact that the convention will need to vote on that. So if done well, it may work and calm the Democratic voters. May even need to have Biden give a couple of speeches. But then he is out. The new candidate will need to take an agressive stand to Trump immediately.

If done poorly, the switch looks like a Trump win. For that week at least.

[pErvinalia]

Does it have to be Kamala? I hear she's not all that popular.

[Sean Hayden]

All the hand-wringing is not a good look for democrats.

[Brian Peacock]

Does it have to be Kamala? I hear she's not all that popular.

Apparently the Dems think she's a 'divisive figure' - which is politics-speak for, "We don't think America will tolerate being ruled by an uppity black woman." The sad thing is they might be right.

[Sean Hayden]

Replacing Biden because he can’t do the job is one thing, crying that he should be replaced because he can’t win the election—at this point—makes you look like a desperate manipulative prick.

But go on, keep talking around the idiots in the room like they can’t hear you, it’s worked brilliantly so far.

[pErvinalia]

It seems to me it needs to happen sooner rather than later so that the disunity has a chance to fade from voters brains before the election.

[Sean Hayden]

What voters rEv?

[pErvinalia]

The undecided voters, I guess. And probably a bunch of Dem voters too.

[Brian Peacock]

Governing successfully is far more complicated than just having a trustworthy or competent leader - but the popular political debate hangs heavily on the identity of the figurehead. We're electing a new government in the UK tomorrow, but the vast majority of the coverage has been pitched by the parties and covered by the media as a personal battle between the various party leaders.

[Sean Hayden]

The undecided voters, I guess. And probably a bunch of Dem voters too.

I hear you, but let’s think about it. The assumption—a good one— is that democrats will vote for Biden, they’ll vote for a potato before Trump. But what about the undecided voters? We don’t know why they vote the way they do or if they’ll even vote. Worse, they are undecided in an election with Trump, who is apparently the most polarizing figure in US politics in our lifetime. He’s certainly seen as the most dangerous by nearly half the country.

Yet they are undecided.

These are the votes you’re going for. So, we have no idea why they vote the way they do, and nothing yet has convinced them in an election with Trump. But let’s replace Biden for them, and see what happens.

That’s gambling. It’s desperation. What reasons do we have to believe our replacement will suddenly satisfy these people? What unintended consequences might there be?

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Besides, it probably only helps perpetuate the image of democrats as insufferable nannies.

[Tero]

The undecided voters, I guess. And probably a bunch of Dem voters too.

No, none of them. Democrats are solidly behind Biden. So he has that 40-45% no matter what. It is Trump that has the independents behind him now to give that 2-5% advantage.

[pErvinalia]

The undecided voters, I guess. And probably a bunch of Dem voters too.

I hear you, but let’s think about it. The assumption—a good one— is that democrats will vote for Biden, they’ll vote for a potato before Trump. But what about the undecided voters? We don’t know why they vote the way they do or if they’ll even vote. Worse, they are undecided in an election with Trump, who is apparently the most polarizing figure in US politics in our lifetime. He’s certainly seen as the most dangerous by nearly half the country.

Yet they are undecided.

These are the votes you’re going for. So, we have no idea why they vote the way they do, and nothing yet has convinced them in an election with Trump. But let’s replace Biden for them, and see what happens.

That’s gambling. It’s desperation. What reasons do we have to believe our replacement will suddenly satisfy these people? What unintended consequences might there be?

—//—

Besides, it probably only helps perpetuate the image of democrats as insufferable nannies.

Well a large amount of polled people list Biden's age as a negative. So it's probably safe to assume the undecided voters share a similar concern.

[Tero]

The undecided voters, I guess. And probably a bunch of Dem voters too.

I hear you, but let’s think about it. The assumption—a good one— is that democrats will vote for Biden, they’ll vote for a potato before Trump. But what about the undecided voters? We don’t know why they vote the way they do or if they’ll even vote. Worse, they are undecided in an election with Trump, who is apparently the most polarizing figure in US politics in our lifetime. He’s certainly seen as the most dangerous by nearly half the country.

Yet they are undecided.

These are the votes you’re going for. So, we have no idea why they vote the way they do, and nothing yet has convinced them in an election with Trump. But let’s replace Biden for them, and see what happens.

That’s gambling. It’s desperation. What reasons do we have to believe our replacement will suddenly satisfy these people? What unintended consequences might there be?

—//—

Besides, it probably only helps perpetuate the image of democrats as insufferable nannies.

I'm just following the news trend. The replace Biden news will run about 2 weeks. There is no great power within Democrats to decide it for Biden. The kind of power Trump has on his side. No out of office politician has had this kind of power for decades.