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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:23 am

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Deep down, Dutton and his chums don't believe in climate change...
Lucky for them, the next stage of their approach has been well mapped out.

'The climate has changed in the past and look, everything's OK!'

Indeed, at a certain point(s) the planet was covered nearly completely in ice and look, it's just fine now. The willful lack of imagination regarding what 'climate change' actually entails would be appalling if one expected considered competence from the power structure of our species.

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:06 am

It was - 5C in QLD this morning. What climate change?
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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:10 am

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
JimC wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:58 am
Deep down, Dutton and his chums don't believe in climate change...
Lucky for them, the next stage of their approach has been well mapped out.

'The climate has changed in the past and look, everything's OK!'

Indeed, at a certain point(s) the planet was covered nearly completely in ice and look, it's just fine now. The willful lack of imagination regarding what 'climate change' actually entails would be appalling if one expected considered competence from the power structure of our species.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:23 am

There's an irony about this nuclear announcement. The plan is for full government funding and ownership. Neoliberals are all of a sudden commies.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:39 am

Good way to subsidise the share price of mining and returns to the financial sector etc though - and to build up a dependency on a logistical infrastructure that can compete with renewables in a 'free narket' - because it's not communism when govt use your money to support a market capable of creating private profit, only when they use it to make your life better.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:45 am

Private industry won't touch it as it's uneconomical. Neoliberals all of a sudden don't care about markets. This is really looking more and more like a policy for more gas and coal to fill the gap that nuclear won't be providing.
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Post by Svartalf » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:51 am

Nuclear power IS economical, it just requires major investments to start, and cleanup after the plan gets too old... and of course, people who only believe in the quick buck can't live with something that is good on the long term, but costly to start.
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It's uneconomical compared to renewables.
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Post by Svartalf » Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:32 am

What's the return of 'renewables' compared to nuclear? what are the costs and lifespans of solar panels and windmills? plus, a country needs a controllable power supply, while 'renewables' are neither continuous nor controllable.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:46 am

Renewables even with storage are cheaper. But storage on a large scale is problematic. Hydro is a good option.
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Post by Svartalf » Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:23 am

Oz has good hydroelectric potential?
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Post by macdoc » Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:45 am

Good info
https://www.epa.gov/energy/electricity-storage
Oz has good hydroelectric potential?
ever heard of Snowy River project ??
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Post by Svartalf » Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:15 pm

I didn't know of it, truth to tell I know very little about Aussi geography
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Post by macdoc » Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:29 pm

It was one of the largest engineering projects in the world ever undertaken at the time ...turning a large river around inside a mountain. I recall reading about it in Scientific American when I was a kid and it was a bucket list to visit tho there is very little to see as a tourist. The area is gorgeous.
The Snowy Mountains Hydro-Electric Scheme was one of the most complex engineering projects in the world. Between 1949 and 1974 the workforce built seven power stations, 16 dams, 80 kilometres of aqueducts and 145 kilometres of tunnels as well as 1,600 kilometres of roads and train tracks.21 Oct 2022
We are now engaged in Snowy River II and not progressing well as the boring machine keeps hitting unexpected rock conditions.
It will provide more power and importantly pumped storage on a massive scale.
https://snowy2tour.snowyhydro.com.au/?page=page_0
The underground power station will house six reversible Francis-type pump turbines. The capacity of the plant is designed for 2.000 megawatts and allows 175 hours of storage. The first power out of Snowy 2.0 is expected early in 2024.
and that didn't happen...it's behind time line and waaaay over budget but a necessary thing.
Snowy 2.0 Pumped Storage Power Station or Snowy Hydro 2.0 or simply Snowy 2.0 is a pumped-hydro battery megaproject in New South Wales, Australia. The dispatchable generation project expands upon the original Snowy Mountains Scheme (ex post facto Snowy 1.0) connecting two existing dams through a 27-kilometre (17 mi) underground tunnel and a new, underground pumped-hydro power station.[2] Construction began in 2019.[2] It is expected to supply 2.2 gigawatts of capacity and about 350,000 megawatt hours of large-scale storage to the national electricity market.[3][4] It is the largest renewable energy project under construction in Australia.[5] It includes one of the largest and deepest cavern excavations ever undertaken.[6] It also includes the longest tunnels at 27 kilometres in length, of any pumped-hydro station ever built It is designed for grid stabilization; to be a backup at times of peak demand and for when solar and wind energy are not providing power.[7] It provides invaluable firming capability. Snowy Hydro acts like a giant battery by absorbing, storing, and dispatching energy.[3] Snowy 2.0 can be ‘switched on’ very quickly.[8] The battery is designed to operate for up to 175 hours of temporary supply.[9] It is Australia's largest energy project,[10] estimated to cost 12 billion Australian dollars. By 2023, AU$4.3 billion had been spent.[1] The project is led by public company Snowy Hydro Limited.[10] When complete it is expected to have a large impact on the price and reliability of electric power.[11]
Money better spent than on a standard or even smr nuclear program :fp:

That said ...
A team of researchers at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) achieved a historic milestone through its National Ignition Facility (NIF), igniting fusion using inertial confinement fusion (ICF) above breakeven for the very first time
https://www.gophotonics.com/news/detail ... h-crystals

heavy hitters getting on board...
2024
June 17, 2024
Ontario bets on sparking nuclear ‘renaissance’ with new-generation fusion power
A next-generation fusion energy plant could come online in Ontario in as little as five years, marking a major stride forward for a technology long-considered the “holy grail” of the energy transition — and a key potential power source to meet rising provincial electricity demand. (Canada's National Observer)

June 14, 2024
US DOE Unveils Strategy to Achieve Commercial Fusion
The United States Department of Energy (DOE) has released an action plan to realize the commercial-scale deployment of fusion energy. (Rigzone)

June 12, 2024
Xcimer raises $100M to build prototype laser system for inertial fusion
US fusion start-up Xcimer Energy has raised $100 million in Series A financing led by Hedosophia, with participation from investors including Breakthrough Energy Ventures, Lowercarbon Capital, Prelude Ventures, Emerson Collective, Gigascale Capital and Starlight Ventures. (Nuclear Engineering International)

June 11, 2024
US DOE announces new decadal fusion energy strategy
The US Department of Energy (DOE) has marked the two-year anniversary of the Administration’s launch of the Bold Decadal Vision for Commercial Fusion Energy with the release of the DOE Fusion Energy Strategy 2024. (Nuclear Engineering International)

June 10, 2024
New fusion energy strategies and partnerships announced at White House event
Just one week after the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy hosted a summit on domestic nuclear deployment, they filled a room again on June 6 for a livestreamed event cohosted with the Department of Energy to announce a new DOE fusion energy strategy and new public-private partnership programs, and to hear directly from stakeholders—including scientists, private fusion companies, investors, and end users—during panel discussions on fusion science and technology progress and the path to fusion energy commercialization. (Nuclear Newswire)

June 10, 2024
SCHOTT Receives Over €1.3 Million to Advance Nuclear Fusion Research
SCHOTT’s laser glass was a key component of the first fusion ignition, achieved by the National Ignition Facility (NIF) in 2022. (Barbour Produce Search)
https://lasers.llnl.gov/news/in-the-news
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Post by Svartalf » Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:51 pm

Fusion power plant on the way? I don't believe this for one picosecond. If fusion power were mastered enough to actually use in power stations, the whole world would know it.
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