Hello

[Joe]

I can tell you why I don't write about gender identity though. I don't know very much about it, so I don't really have a position other than to be kind to and supportive of the gender diverse people in my life.

With admitted ignorance, you just support.

Sounds like blind adherence to me, but I'm not going to accuse. You couldn't possibly know, with so little experience around sexual dimorphism and the theories of Dr. Money.

Dawkins accused everyone of cowardice around the topic, while demonstrating it himself.

It sort of underlines the problem about trying to learn or even talk about it. No surprise a polite guy stays ignorant and without opinion on it.

Now that's some trolling.

Since I don't know what this "extreme far-left" is or what they are for, why don't you be a mensch and fill me in? Then I will tell you what I think.

The far-left-extremists on gender ideology will allow 'transition' of children, even behind their parents backs, including cross-sex hormones (which can be also called chemical sterilization) amputating healthy tissue (check out the 'yeet the teets' doctor from Insta) and legal actions against parents who disagree. More complicated when you consider it is almost always a parent of a certain sex in favour, and the other sex opposed.

Okay, your first part is trolling and you can fuck right off with your judgemental bullshit and asinine illogic. Seriously, grow up and learn to attack ideas instead of people.

I thought the idea of you supporting without knowing about the subject WAS attacking the idea, rather than the person.

I apologize, though. Since the rest of your comment sounds quite honest, let's try to focus.

What you describe is vile if true, and I disagree with it.

I described a few things.

Can we focus on one that YOU think important? The topic is very broad.

How about you name names and provide links to real evidence instead of your usual shuck and jive vague innuendo?

No offense Cunt, but you don't always get the story right.

Yes, of course. I'm not dodging, but rather trying to focus on what YOU and I want to discuss. If you want a quick study, look into the case the 'yeet the teets' scumbag. She is famous for luring young people to her practice via tiktok (or was it insta?)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... chdog.html

A Florida-based plastic surgeon who dubs herself 'Dr Teetus Deletus' — a glib reference to breast removal surgery — has been reported to America's consumer watchdog for using her huge TikTok following to 'unfairly and deceptively' sway teens into having sex-change operations.

The article is careful to mention that it can be 'life-saving'. I don't agree, but it IS how many parents are presented with their options. How would you feel if you didn't know about the subject, and a doctor asked you 'would you like a dead daughter, or a trans son?'


That's just to give you some answer, so I'm not ignoring you. I would still like you and I to focus on which thing I listed that you think is 'vile', and we can gather you some examples.

Know that one of the complaints of de-transitioners like Chloe Cole, is that social media and corporate media don't give fair hearing to her side of the story. Because of this, you might need to wander into unapproved sources to hear her describe what happened to her, and why she is complaining.

Also keep in mind that one of my complaints, is that in this subject, a lot of people want to use terms like 'man, woman, male, female, trans' without clearly defining them, or more importantly, sticking to the definitions. It can easily be a mistake, as Tero earlier talked about a child choosing their sex. He obviously didn't mean that, since sex can't change, but it is easy to lose meaning with these words being ill-defined.

Well, when you use the term "child genital mutilation," my mind doesn't go to social media ads for transition doctors. I think of the barbaric custom practiced by tribal societies in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia of removing girls external genitalia. Saying I support that goes beyond attacking an idea, thus my response.

I see from what you describe that you may not be aware of the incendiary nature of the term you used. I'll let a victim of the practice describe.



That's what I mean by vile, and I'd like to know what extreme far-left groups support it.

[Tero]

It's just Wikipedia citing professional mental health practice. Mental health is a thing, you know. Once you find out God didn't make you.

[Cunt]

Well, when you use the term "child genital mutilation," my mind doesn't go to social media ads for transition doctors. I think of the barbaric custom practiced by tribal societies in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia of removing girls external genitalia. Saying I support that goes beyond attacking an idea, thus my response.

You're right, and I overstated. I'm disgusted by what is going on at the extreme end of this. Seemingly in public where everyone knows.

I'll try to remember you don't know much about this.

Here is a smidge to understand why I might mistake what's happening for 'child genital mutilation'.

Jazz Jennings. I'll use a source that I don't trust, but I think folks here do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_Jennings

Jazz Jennings (born October 6, 2000)

In an interview published in the April 11, 2018, issue of People, Jennings said that, per her surgeons' instructions, she had lost at least 30 pounds (14 kg) in order to have gender reassignment surgery, which was scheduled for June 20, 2018.[48] The surgery was successful,[49] but was followed by complications that required another procedure.[50] The surgery was performed by Dr. Jess Ting and Dr. Marci Bowers.[51]

I see from what you describe that you may not be aware of the incendiary nature of the term you used. I'll let a victim of the practice describe.


That's what I mean by vile, and I'd like to know what extreme far-left groups support it.

This child was fully 17 at the time the surgery was scheduled. 'Gender reassignment', and not 'child genital mutilation', as per those experts.

[Joe]

Well, when you use the term "child genital mutilation," my mind doesn't go to social media ads for transition doctors. I think of the barbaric custom practiced by tribal societies in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia of removing girls external genitalia. Saying I support that goes beyond attacking an idea, thus my response.

You're right, and I overstated. I'm disgusted by what is going on at the extreme end of this. Seemingly in public where everyone knows.

I'll try to remember you don't know much about this.

Here is a smidge to understand why I might mistake what's happening for 'child genital mutilation'.

Jazz Jennings. I'll use a source that I don't trust, but I think folks here do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_Jennings

Jazz Jennings (born October 6, 2000)

In an interview published in the April 11, 2018, issue of People, Jennings said that, per her surgeons' instructions, she had lost at least 30 pounds (14 kg) in order to have gender reassignment surgery, which was scheduled for June 20, 2018.[48] The surgery was successful,[49] but was followed by complications that required another procedure.[50] The surgery was performed by Dr. Jess Ting and Dr. Marci Bowers.[51]

I see from what you describe that you may not be aware of the incendiary nature of the term you used. I'll let a victim of the practice describe.


That's what I mean by vile, and I'd like to know what extreme far-left groups support it.

This child was fully 17 at the time the surgery was scheduled. 'Gender reassignment', and not 'child genital mutilation', as per those experts.

Okay,1 year short of the age of majority in most US states, she had surgery by her choice. 17 is not a child, although they sure look like babies to me these days.

My question would be: does she think her genitals were mutilated?

[Cunt]

I don't know much very deeply into the story, so don't know about regrets.

Opinions vary. Some would trust a 17 year old to choose living with the known medical complications and other consequences. Some not.

The important thing is that some of the victims of medical malpractice show clearly that there can be regret. They also got started early.

If you don't know about the regret side, I can recommend the interview with Chloe Cole by J Peterson, by vid or audio whichever you use.

It might help you define what you would mean by 'far-left-extremist' in this area, as it puts a human case study where it can be seen.

[Tero]

Still going the MTG way? All talk about whacking off penises and mammaries. "God me this way!"

[Cunt]

Still going the MTG way? All talk about whacking off penises and mammaries. "God me this way!"

Is there something wrong with amputating healthy tissue off kids?

Or do you just hate MTG so much that you must side with those grooming kids to be surgically 'corrected' as soon as possible?

[Tero]

Is there something wrong with the kids committing suicide if you don't whack of healthy tissue?

[Cunt]

Is there something wrong with the kids committing suicide if you don't whack of healthy tissue?

That sounds like a lie.

Maybe you can show the stats on all the child suicides before the advent of this type of care, or in areas where it hasn't shown popularity.



Did you bother looking into the concerns of Chloe Cole? Or would you rather listen to only the favourable news in this particular arena?



Oh GOOD she does 'keyhole'. Sounds very sciency and medically critical.

Now, I'm not sure of what is meant by 'woman' here, but this probably isn't a pic of one with her scarred breasts showing. It's likely a man with the scars of his deadname (former self?) fading. Spoilered just in case.

You may approve of this doc, but I seriously doubt you could say what you think is a 'far-left-extremist' in gender ideology.

Reminds me of how some folks used to have no problem calling out 'toxic masculinity', yet couldn't be bothered with 'toxic femininity'. It seemed like their political environment forbade it.

[Svartalf]

what does 'do keyhole' mean?

[rasetsu]

Did you bother looking into the concerns of Chloe Cole? Or would you rather listen to only the favourable news in this particular arena?

What do you think we should take away from Chloe Cole's story?

[rasetsu]

Reminds me of how some folks used to have no problem calling out 'toxic masculinity', yet couldn't be bothered with 'toxic femininity'. It seemed like their political environment forbade it.

How do you define toxic femininity?

[Cunt]

what does 'do keyhole' mean?

I was joking, I don't really know. Probably a minimal scar toward removing the breast tissue, like a keyhole hernia repair, but with less clear need.

[Joe]

I don't know much very deeply into the story, so don't know about regrets.

Opinions vary. Some would trust a 17 year old to choose living with the known medical complications and other consequences. Some not.

The important thing is that some of the victims of medical malpractice show clearly that there can be regret. They also got started early.

If you don't know about the regret side, I can recommend the interview with Chloe Cole by J Peterson, by vid or audio whichever you use.

It might help you define what you would mean by 'far-left-extremist' in this area, as it puts a human case study where it can be seen.

Well, I asked you to name the people you called far left extremists. I don't care if I think they are extremists or not. With names, I can see what they have to say and what policies they are advocating in the same way I have with Chloe Cole.

So, who are the people you refer to?

[Cunt]

I know what I consider 'far-left-extremists'.

The 'yeet the teets' doc is a 'far-left-extremist'.

Just to make sure I answer you.

Now, what was I asking...hmmm...

It might help you define what you would mean by 'far-left-extremist' in this area, as it puts a human case study where it can be seen.

So how do YOU define 'far-left-extremist' in gender ideology? Feel free to decline if you don't want to. It is starting to sound like you don't want to answer that.