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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Cunt » Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:26 pm

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Interesting though: You have examples of Democrats making fraudulent claims about their assets to benefit themselves? Bring them on.
You are fanatsizing again. I am not so interested in joining you.

Senator Menendez is the most recent example I can think of, of a Democrat being discovered engaging in shady behavior. It took a few weeks, but many of the most powerful of his colleagues have called for him to resign. He's been indicted, and I hope they throw the book at him. The shitshow has been fully reported in the mainstream press. But please go ahead and show how Democrats have been treated better than Trump for engaging in the same behavior, or even similar behavior. I know it's an article of faith among Trump supporters that he's constantly being treated unfairly, so I'd be interested in actual evidence to support that position.
Yes, there are many examples. Jamaal pulling down signs, then triggering a fire alarm to interrupt a government proceeding, and what was done to him for that act of insurrection?

Oh right, no consequences.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:52 pm

Hmm, so a schmuck pulling down a sign and triggering a fire alarm is similar to making fraudulent claims to secure important loans? The same as attacking police and breaking into the US Capitol with the legislature in session while yelling for the death of people inside? If that's the best you have then maybe your position isn't as strong as you think it is.

The mainstream press reported extensively on Jamaal Bowman's stunt. If they were part of a conspiracy to make Democrats look saintly while tearing down Trump it should have gone differently, no?

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Hmm, so a schmuck pulling down a sign and triggering a fire alarm is similar to making fraudulent claims to secure important loans? The same as attacking police and breaking into the US Capitol with the legislature in session while yelling for the death of people inside? If that's the best you have then maybe your position isn't as strong as you think it is.

The mainstream press reported extensively on Jamaal Bowman's stunt. If they were part of a conspiracy to make Democrats look saintly while tearing down Trump it should have gone differently, no?
I'm not trying to entertain you. You can't see it as posh treatment, because you don't think interrupting a government proceeding is ok.

As to the J6 chaos, if it was that bad, they would have released all the footage. If they are hiding stuff, it can only be for your own good.

Heck, dude, you can't see the bias, no matter how clear it is. So there really isn't any expectation that you'll figure it out.
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Cunt wrote:
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I'm not trying to entertain you. You can't see it as posh treatment, because you don't think interrupting a government proceeding is ok.

As to the J6 chaos, if it was that bad, they would have released all the footage. If they are hiding stuff, it can only be for your own good.

Heck, dude, you can't see the bias, no matter how clear it is. So there really isn't any expectation that you'll figure it out.
I think it's fairly obvious what you're trying. I hope your cardio is doing better than your efforts here.

Still, the way you try to quietly tapdance away from addressing the multiple examples of fraudulent valuations and return to Mar-a-Lago is entertaining. The whataboutism jazz hands really sell it.

Tucker Carlson has been sitting on 'all the footage' for months now. Maybe the new Speaker of the House will get up on his hind legs and see fit to release it. He's a devout MAGA election fabulist, so let's hope, eh?

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The nice thing is that I can always know what you'll think of something, because it aligns flawlessly with your government, large corporations and banks.

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Cunt wrote:The nice thing is that I can always know what you'll think of something,
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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:18 am

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When Trump was first running for president, I was curious to see how he would act, so I watched him at one of his question and answer appearances. I was surprised to see and hear that he was the same twit as he was on the apprentice. He never answered factually to a question, instead dismissing it with a couple of sarcastic statements. The only time he spoke at length was when he was able to expound on how great he was. I couldn't believe it when he was elected! I thought people were more intelligent than that in The States, but apparently I was wrong.
Now, if elected, he will believe he can rule like his idols from North Korea and Russia. Any dissenters will be imprisoned or will have unfortunate accidents, and there will be monuments in his image and songs and poems recited in public schools and marketplaces, or else. :|~
Trump and Bernie were making very similar noises: appealing to the squeezed middle classes with insecure jobs, mounting debt, and an overall falling standard of living. Both were talking about how the machinery of the state was broken, how it wasn't working for ordinary people - and hadn't been working for a long time. The Democrats went with somebody who represented the same-old-same-old, and so when Trump gained the GOP nomination he looked the only one who really understood middling just-making-do America.

But then Trump went on to place the blame for America's woes on Mexicans and Muslims, and easily punchable targets like that. Where Bernie might have turned his attention to structural matters, regulating the markets and the corps, taxing the asset-rich to support the public services ordinary people rely on, creating/strengthening democratic institutions etc, Trump did history'd biggest tax cut for corps and the rich, slashed public spending, and undertook an all-out assault on democracy. This only exacerbated the very issues on which he'd fought the election - and then he just ramped up the blame-game rhetoric accordingly. Now it wasn't just Mexicans and Muslims, it was antifa, and BLM, and the trans, and even though the GOP had control of all three branches of government it was the evil radical-left Democrats which were making everyone's lives harder than they needed to be.

Trump and other right-wing popularists are the natural consequence of post-2008 austerity politics, and their only real response is to blame the powerless to justify more of the same. Down here in the real world we know that things aren't working as well as they used to, that the systems we relied on to support and secure our communities are broken in a very real and fundamental way. that our kids are going to have a much much harder time of it that we did, but people who put their faith in the Trumps of this world are reluctant to accept that the messages they've been primed and triggered to respond to, and the values those stories represent, are exactly what's squeezing the life our of their communities and making their lives evermore chaotic and uncertain.

People are desperate enough now that even the cruelty of a police state seems like something worth thinking about, because they've been led to believe that being strong and hard and heartless is the only way to restore the old order, and that it will only be cruel, and hard and heartless to those that really deserve it - and they've already been relentless drilled about who's on the list of the people that need to be rounded up to make that happen.

So we might dismiss Trump as an profoundly unserious politician and a useless human being, but at least he has a story a lot of people can relate to, and a plan that appears to address the issue people are facing - even if it's coming from the same kind of self-entitled wealthy arseholes that deliberately created the conditions which gave birth to those problems in the first place.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:26 am

But then I would say that because I'm a bit of a lefty aren't I?
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Post by rasetsu » Tue Oct 31, 2023 10:29 am

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Post by Tero » Tue Oct 31, 2023 10:47 am

It's important to trumpsters that people that are poorer than them do not get anything from the government. They might not know that the poor people do not pay taxes, but if you give them something (school lunch), that must be stopped. Also foreigners, because they are living on our welfare. They get "free healthcare" and free cages for the separated kids.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:18 pm

Except Trump doesn't really have a plan. It's all about opposition and tearing things down. Nothing about what will replace the administrative state that they want to destroy. Putting in ideologues whose primary (or only) qualification is loyalty to Trump isn't a plan. Vague handwaving about Make America Great Again isn't a plan.

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Post by Tero » Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:48 pm

That is the plan. Trump voter: don''t give MY money to Ukraine. Do't give my money to NATO! America first!

(None of them give any money. The remaining 40 million trumpsters do not pay much tax. Social Security etc mandatory tax only)

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Post by Cunt » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:55 pm

Biden gave a lot to Ukraine. His son got a lot from them, so it's only fair I guess.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:09 pm

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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:17 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:Except Trump doesn't really have a plan. It's all about opposition and tearing things down. Nothing about what will replace the administrative state that they want to destroy. Putting in ideologues whose primary (or only) qualification is loyalty to Trump isn't a plan. Vague handwaving about Make America Great Again isn't a plan.
True. But he sounds convincing and people will put their faith in him again because what other option do they really have. And when things don't get better he'll just put more children in cages or pre-arrest some undesirables, or whatever, and take more power for himself of course - and ultimately the cabal that will 'honour his legacy' when he's gone will continue the project in his name. That's what Trump is for.
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