All Things Trump: the story continues...

[Tero]

"Does the President have declassification authority? Or do the bureaucrats overrule him on stuff?"
No. Not the way Trump describes it. Clinton declssdified one single document. For a specific purpose. He did this in public.

And that is not how he would gain a right to the documents. He stole government documents. Classified and unclassified. They do not belong to him.

[L'Emmerdeur]

• He clearly absconded with government documents that he was not entitled to keep and then tried to hide them and obstruct their recovery by the government.

Does the President have declassification authority? Or do the bureaucrats overrule him on stuff?

Certainly the president has declassification authority. That doesn't mean the president can declassify telepathically, as Trump claimed. The president doesn't own sensitive government information--it is held by the government in the name of the citizenry, and there are strict protocols for how it is handled and how it is declassified. Trump did not and can not declassify government information merely by taking it out of the White House. He knows that, and said as much as he waved around classified items when talking with aides in his office after he'd left the White House.

I note that you do not deny that he took documents that he was not entitled to keep and then tried to hide them and obstruct their recovery by the government.

• He directed Michael Cohen to pay off Stormy Daniels, then conspired to hide the payoff. Cohen already was convicted for the scheme--Trump is named in the Cohen trial as 'Individual 1.'

Why does she keep losing?

Didn't she have to pay Trump?

Again, I note that you do not deny that Trump directed Michael Cohen to pay off Stormy Daniels and then conspired to hide the payoff.

• Trump was at the heart of the scheme in Georgia to overturn that state's election results. In the 'perfect phone call' the Georgia official told him more than once that there had been multiple recounts, yet Trump insisted that Georgia 'find' the votes needed for him to claim victory.

Yes, and we have all heard the phone call.

I've also heard people insist that the 2020 election was above reproach, and the safest most secure election. Even social media companies, those respectable entities, censored any mention of it, proving how fair and safe it was.

I think it's easy to believe the election was fair, when a doddering old fool campaigned from his basement, and got more votes than Obama.

And the Ball article explains some of it. All fair of course, it doesn't matter if the place is a Republic, people will fight to make it a democracy.

Trump got more votes than any Republican candidate for president in history. Biden got about 7 million more votes than Trump. If asked to explain that, I would tell you that Trump was actually highly unpopular outside of the Republican Party. Many people were not voting for Biden so much as they were voting against Trump.

I note that you do not deny that Trump was at the heart of the scheme in Georgia to overturn that state's election results. Nor do you deny that he tried to pressure a Georgia election official to 'find' votes that he had been repeatedly informed did not and could not exist. By the time of that 'perfect phone call' several recounts of the Georgia vote had taken place and Trump knew that there were no votes to be 'found.' He was soliciting election fraud, and the recording leaves no room for doubt.

• Finally, he definitely was part of a wide-ranging effort to overturn the national election results and hold power illegitimately.

I'll return your query--
Are there any of the criminal cases against Trump that you think might have a legitimate basis?

He didn't try. They claimed it was an insurrection, but the military stayed out of it, and all the 'insurrectors' left their weapons at home.

As to legitimate basis, I'm hoping they'll get him for trying to grab the steering wheel from the back of the beast, but it is so dramatic, they will probably pretend it never happened. It makes Trump look to strong, to think he could reach like that.

Any other criminal cases...no, nothing that looks criminal.

It wasn't just the attack on the Capitol, as you know perfectly well. Or maybe you don't. In which case you are making a pronouncement without knowing the facts.

Thank you for an actual answer to a direct question. Apparently you think that the crimes of which Trump is accused (and which you do not deny that he did) are not crimes. You are mistaken.

I'm still waiting for the differing values over Mar-A-Lago to be explained. The property owner, and bank lending against it, both agreed to a value. Loan was made, repayed and both parties were satisfied. Now somehow I am to believe that it was worth FAR less, and that a New Yorker was somehow aggrieved on behalf of people in another state.

When the value is clearly wrong, by one of the three parties, should there be consequences? Or only to Trump?

Tedious: The evaluation used by the Attorney General came from the Palm Beach County Assessor (local authority in Florida) as has been explained to you repeatedly. If you have an argument about that, take it up with the county assessor.

Here's one that you haven't bothered to mention. Trump claimed that his apartment in Trump Tower is 30,000 square feet when in actual fact it is just under 11,000 square feet. That is fraud, plain and simple. The linked article includes several other examples of Trump fraudulently inflating the value of various properties, yet you seem fixated on Mar-a-Lago even after having the difference in valuations explained to you more than once.

[JimC]

But L'Emmy, Mar-a-Lago is so beautiful, so perfect, it must be worth gazillions!

[L'Emmerdeur]

But L'Emmy, Mar-a-Lago is so beautiful, so perfect, it must be worth gazillions!

Certainly, if we believe Trump. Somebody would have to be remarkably gullible to believe Trump--he's been shown to be a shameless compulsive liar. Either that or their support for Trump doesn't have anything to do with facts or truth.

[Cunt]

Here's one that you haven't bothered to mention. Trump claimed that his apartment in Trump Tower is 30,000 square feet when in actual fact it is just under 11,000 square feet. That is fraud, plain and simple. The linked article includes several other examples of Trump fraudulently inflating the value of various properties, yet you seem fixated on Mar-a-Lago even after having the difference in valuations explained to you more than once.

Yes, I know. Demand I deny everything, and toe the establishment line all the way. You explained your position a number of times.

Now, as to the assessment, mine is WAY below the market value of my place. Way below what the bank and I would say it was worth.

That's actually very common here, and I suspect in Florida too. Why is the assessed value trusted so much over the actual market value?

Oh right, because it makes Trump look bad.

The bank didn't just believe him. They lent him money based on their own independant assessment, and then got paid back.

But ya, establishment or bust, right?

So punk. Much counter-culture.

[Cunt]

"Does the President have declassification authority? Or do the bureaucrats overrule him on stuff?"
No. Not the way Trump describes it. Clinton declssdified one single document. For a specific purpose. He did this in public.

And that is not how he would gain a right to the documents. He stole government documents. Classified and unclassified. They do not belong to him.

If he did, then so did Biden that time. Or three. Before he was president. (just showing how vigorous the double standard is)

But he didn't. He declassifies by himself. Doesn't need any permission from his underlings.

[JimC]

All of Trump's dealings with classified documents will get tested in court, not by the media, and not via opinions on internet forums. The same will occur with all his other legal issues.

But the conspiracy theorists will immediately accuse the courts of being part of a massive Deep State cover-up, of course...

[L'Emmerdeur]

Here's one that you haven't bothered to mention. Trump claimed that his apartment in Trump Tower is 30,000 square feet when in actual fact it is just under 11,000 square feet. That is fraud, plain and simple. The linked article includes several other examples of Trump fraudulently inflating the value of various properties, yet you seem fixated on Mar-a-Lago even after having the difference in valuations explained to you more than once.

Yes, I know. Demand I deny everything, and toe the establishment line all the way. You explained your position a number of times.

I demanded no such thing, and lying about it isn't going to achieve anything except to further discredit yourself. I presented brief descriptions of criminal complaints against Trump, and then noted that you did not deny the facts that resulted in those complaints.

Now, as to the assessment, mine is WAY below the market value of my place. Way below what the bank and I would say it was worth.

That's actually very common here, and I suspect in Florida too. Why is the assessed value trusted so much over the actual market value?

The assessed value is not 'so much over' the market value. A real estate site put the market value at the higher end of the assessed value. Also, see final link below.

Oh right, because it makes Trump look bad.

The bank didn't just believe him. They lent him money based on their own independant assessment, and then got paid back.

But ya, establishment or bust, right?

So punk. Much counter-culture.

The bank no doubt had their own reasons for playing along with Trump. Have you looked at their relationship with him, or just assumed that everything he said is the truth?

'How Trump Fooled Deutsche Bank'

'Trump’s private bankers resign from Deutsche Bank'

'Trump's secret, ugly breakup with Deutsche Bank is revealed in new allegations by NY's attorney general'

Trump's own company agreed with the county assessor's value for Mar-a-Lago only a few years ago.

'Trump says Mar-a-Lago is worth $1.8 billion. Not long ago, his own company thought that was over $1.7 billion too high.'

Trump might think Mar-a-Lago is worth $1.8 billion, but in 2020, his own company said the Palm Beach appraiser was right. That year, the county valued Mar-a-Lago at $27 million.

"The Petitioner agrees with the determination of the property appraiser or tax collector," a real estate broker representing Mar-a-Lago acknowledged on a form filed with the local Value Adjustment Board, and obtained by CBS News.

Crickets on the rest of the fraudulent claims, eh?

[Cunt]

Crickets on the rest of the fraudulent claims, eh?

I understand the establishment position, and many of its claims against Trump. I understand the unequal application of the law, when it comes to his behaviour compared to Democrats.

But most of all, I understand that you are fully aligned with the establishment on every significant issue. No matter how kooky it makes you sound, you stick to those guns.

I won't say you are discrediting yourself, but I will say that you are not as convincing as you think you are.

[pErvinalia]

How do we convince someone who is confused by words?

[Tero]

Stealing government owned documents is the issue. Not imaginary declassifications. Trump was given several opportunities to return them. He hung on to them. My precious.

[Tero]

Trump not allowed to attack judge or court or witnessed, so it is back to....Biden.
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paulalovinski
Any act where a person commits a felony and subsequently announces their candidacy for president shall henceforth be known as "playing the Trump card".

reynoldsatkinson
If trump & his cult wins, all liberals will be placed in concentration camps, poisoned, shot to death. Republicans lead by MikeJohnson will use some liberals as laborers much like what Hitler did

[Tero]

teapainusa1
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Overnight, Trump complained repeatedly he can’t get elected again unless he can post maps to Jack Smith’s house on the internet.

[L'Emmerdeur]

Crickets on the rest of the fraudulent claims, eh?

I understand the establishment position, and many of its claims against Trump. I understand the unequal application of the law, when it comes to his behaviour compared to Democrats.

But most of all, I understand that you are fully aligned with the establishment on every significant issue. No matter how kooky it makes you sound, you stick to those guns.

I won't say you are discrediting yourself, but I will say that you are not as convincing as you think you are.

No problem. When the facts don't support my position I examine it and revise accordingly. It can be unpleasant if I am emotionally tied to that position. Some people would rather lash out at the person who presented the facts than acknowledge the disconnect between their position and the facts. That is understandable.

Interesting though: You have examples of Democrats making fraudulent claims about their assets to benefit themselves? Bring them on.

Senator Menendez is the most recent example I can think of, of a Democrat being discovered engaging in shady behavior. It took a few weeks, but many of the most powerful of his colleagues have called for him to resign. He's been indicted, and I hope they throw the book at him. The shitshow has been fully reported in the mainstream press. But please go ahead and show how Democrats have been treated better than Trump for engaging in the same behavior, or even similar behavior. I know it's an article of faith among Trump supporters that he's constantly being treated unfairly, so I'd be interested in actual evidence to support that position.

[Svartalf]

It's great PR.

He'll get tar and feathers, and a rail ride back to mar a lago