All Things Trump: the story continues...

[Tero]

If Trump is elected and after that ends up in court, he cannot pardon himself of conspiracy charges.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/repor ... look-like/

Nixon (the court case) did not create an immunity from criminal liability. Moreover, Trump’s role in the coordinated scheme that led to the insurrection—including his role in endorsing the creation of false electoral slates, and pressuring state and federal officials to overturn the election results were in no way official duties, as the president has no constitutional or legal role to play in the counting and certification of electoral college results.

[rasetsu]

Proving intent is the sticky wicket.

[Brian Peacock]

In a normal world falsely declaring that votes were stolen, altered, omitted or fabricated and asking state officials to find enough extra votes to win would be enough to imply intent.

[rasetsu]

IIRC, intent here also means understanding that he was breaking the law.

[Tero]

Guilty would be 3-6 years. Comparison of recent cases in link

Yet, not every outcome that applies to Trump would apply to other civilians who may be convicted of the same crime. For instance, Berman said she doesn't expect that other defendants would succeed in avoiding prison, even if Trump is convicted and does not face any time behind bars.

Yet, not every outcome that applies to Trump would apply to other civilians who may be convicted of the same crime. For instance, Berman said she doesn't expect that other defendants would succeed in avoiding prison, even if Trump is convicted and does not face any time behind bars.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-pris ... 00-10aaa3a

[Tero]

Congress to defund Jack Smith?
"One of the ideas now being batted around by Republicans is threatening to go after Smith’s budget. Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, one of Trump’s staunchest allies on Capitol Hill, announced Tuesday he plans to soon introduce legislation to defund the special counsel. Firebrand GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia has previously called for similar action."
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics ... index.html

[Tero]

Trump not afraid, disgusted instead.

“No, it bothers me. It bothers me for everybody in this incredible sold-out audience,” he said to those gathered in Des Moines.

Trump then regurgitated his complaint that the investigations into him are “election interference,” and that the Department of Justice is
partisan.

“They want to try to demean and diminish and frighten people,” he insisted. “But they don’t frighten us because we’re going to make America great again. That’s all there is.”

Hannity dutifully replied that he has never felt “more fearful of the state of this country than I am right now.”

Minutes later, Hannity—in classic Fox fashion—attempted a clunky transition from Trump’s legal woes to Hunter Biden.

“We cannot ignore today’s events, when you put out your Truth Social posts,” Hannity said.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-tr ... get-letter

[rasetsu]

Boxes full of classified U.S. government documents weren't the only items that improperly wound up at former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate after he left office, Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported Tuesday. Unlike with the government secrets, though, it isn't clear how antiquities belonging to Israel ended up at Trump's Florida club, or whether Trump even knows they are there. Efforts by senior Israeli officials to retrieve the national treasures have so far been unsuccessful.

The Israeli antiquities include ancient ceramic candles that were lent to the U.S. from Israel's national treasures collection in 2019 for a Hanukkah candle-lighting event at the White House, Haaretz reported. Israel Hasson, director of the Israeli Antiquities Authority at the time, approved the loan on the condition they be returned within weeks.

Instead of shipping the fragile items, "we wanted our man to go and bring it back, but then Covid broke out, and everything got stuck," Hasson told Haaretz. The Antiquities Authority asked Saul Fox, a major Jewish-American donor to the Antiquities Authority, to hold on to the items until they could be returned safely to Israel, but "several months ago, Israeli authorities learned that the antiquities eventually ended up at" Mar-a-Lago, "where they still remain," Haaretz reported.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/102510 ... reportedly

[Brian Peacock]

I bet he took the door handles and the lightbulbs too.

[rasetsu]

"The more he talked of his honor, the faster the White House staff counted the silverware."

[macdoc]

and the toilet paper ...

[Tero]

Blocking candidates under 14th amendment appears to happen at state level.
https://www.threads.net/t/Cu5DVYgPu7J/? ... IwNjQ2YQ==

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/enfo ... andidates/

[pErvinalia]

How does it happen at state level?

[L'Emmerdeur]

Oh you had to ask.

'Enforcing the 14th Amendment’s Bar on Insurrectionist Officers and Candidates'

(Though I doubt you'll be willing to read that wall of text. And I don't fault you for that. )

TLDR: The chances to choose some of the options the author is talking about in the hypothetical (to disqualify Trump from running under Section Three of the 14th Amendment) have already passed.

The possibility to mount a proper Section Three challenge to Trump's candidacy remains. It'd be initiated by state election officials. In any of the 50 states the election authority -- usually the Secretary of State -- could disallow Trump appearing on the ballot in that state, contending that he engaged in insurrection or gave aid and comfort to insurrectionists. However that challenge to Trump's candidacy would have to be resolved by a court. The article was written well over a year ago and time for such a challenge (with its subsequent court battle) is swiftly evaporating.

[pErvinalia]

Oh you had to ask.

Mainly as a means to encourage Tero to stop link dumping.