Scientific Proof Of God

[superuniverse]

I got kicked out of Dawkins' for pointing out that showing the inconsistencies in one belief system doesn't prove the non-existence of Gods.

Which atheists are in the business of proving the non-existence of Gods? Sounds like a straw man argument.

Exactly. This entire forum.

Yeah, the burden of proof falls on those claiming the existence of gods.

You really are an idiot. Your Psychiatrist has been asking for you.

[superuniverse]

Burden of proof lies on you shtheads who start these forums... where is your "proof"?

[Joe]

I got kicked out of Dawkins' for pointing out that showing the inconsistencies in one belief system doesn't prove the non-existence of Gods.

Which atheists are in the business of proving the non-existence of Gods? Sounds like a straw man argument.

Exactly. This entire forum.

Yeah, the burden of proof falls on those claiming the existence of gods.

You really are an idiot. Your Psychiatrist has been asking for you.

Then you must be a bigger idiot, since you can't figure out what's in that picture I posted.

[rainbow]

I got kicked out of Dawkins' for pointing out that showing the inconsistencies in one belief system doesn't prove the non-existence of Gods.

Which atheists are in the business of proving the non-existence of Gods? Sounds like a straw man argument.

Dorkins, him, that one.

[superuniverse]

Joe, tell me what this is... No cheating,..

[rainbow]

I am an agnostic atheist. You'll find me among the millions of people in the bottom right quadrant.

Yes, my point is that as soon as you add Agnostic, you're diluting the Atheism to nothing.

Saying "I don't believe in the existence of God or Gods, but I don't claim to know with certainty" is not diluting atheism to nothing. It means that I could conceivably change my mind if robust, testable and reproducible evidence turns up pointing to the existence of personally interfering God or Gods most Christians, Muslims, Jews and others (at least nominally) believe in. Then I'd become an agnostic theist, saying "I do believe in the existence of God or Gods, but I don't claim to know with certainty".

As for the Divine Watchmaker type of god, nothing can be said of such an entity beyond the assertion that said entity is the uncaused originator of everything that came into existence. The existence of this god is an ultimate irrelevance precisely because nothing else but that single assertion can be made. Deism is not even a no through road. It is an immediate stop.

One shouldn't confuse the Religious Belief with the actual existence of a God/s

Religion exists purely for the political purpose of controlling the masses. The actual existence of the God/s is irrelevant, all that is important is that people are afraid of this "God". People actually have been convinced to go to war over this.
Absurd, no?

This I assume is the God that Dennis wishes us to follow, but will not explain himself, so the argument goes nowhere.

The second type, the Deist version, if you like is not restricted to the Dawkins' meme. There is a belief in other entities that don't fit it.

[Joe]

Joe, tell me what this is... No cheating,..

Looks like something from the Book of Revelations or some other work of fantasy. The four horsemen perhaps, guessing from the emaciated dude and steed at the bottom. I could be wrong and it's something from World of Warcraft though.

Now, tell me what you see in this picture.



Cheat all you want. JimC has already given you a generous hint.

[JimC]

On the atheism thing, I think this quote says it all:

"I have no need of that hypothesis"

[Hermit]

I am an agnostic atheist. You'll find me among the millions of people in the bottom right quadrant.

Yes, my point is that as soon as you add Agnostic, you're diluting the Atheism to nothing.

Saying "I don't believe in the existence of God or Gods, but I don't claim to know with certainty" is not diluting atheism to nothing. It means that I could conceivably change my mind if robust, testable and reproducible evidence turns up pointing to the existence of personally interfering God or Gods most Christians, Muslims, Jews and others (at least nominally) believe in. Then I'd become an agnostic theist, saying "I do believe in the existence of God or Gods, but I don't claim to know with certainty".

As for the Divine Watchmaker type of god, nothing can be said of such an entity beyond the assertion that said entity is the uncaused originator of everything that came into existence. The existence of this god is an ultimate irrelevance precisely because nothing else but that single assertion can be made. Deism is not even a no through road. It is an immediate stop.

One shouldn't confuse the Religious Belief with the actual existence of a God/s

Which is exactly why atheists are defined by their lack of a belief in the actual existence of a God/s.

[JimC]

Another quote, for the more pissed-off atheist:

"Mankind will never know peace until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

[rainbow]

Another quote, for the more pissed-off atheist:

"Mankind will never know peace until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

Yes but the position is Secularism rather than Atheism.

The existence or not of a God or Gods is of no consequence unless that is tied to religious control. King, dictator or politician using religion for the purposes of power is the problem.

...but take away Religion, and there are other Symbols of belief:
The Great Leader - personality cult
The Party - the Revolutionary zeal
The Nation - the hatred of others whether inside or outside of the country.
Technology - the belief that a Technocratic Regime will save us from ourselves.

There are perhaps others.

[rainbow]

Burden of proof lies on you shtheads who start these forums... where is your "proof"?

Nothing can be proven, so the burden of proof is a nonsense.
There is no Objective Reality.

Tell us about your God, and why it needs our Belief?

[Svartalf]

Sauron or Morgoth?

Given soupy's apparent 'sanity', or lack thereof, I'd think more along Azathoth..
say, soupy, do you like playing the flute?

[Svartalf]

What an idiotic question... Can you just start your own thread called: "Who created God?"


I'm sure it with be earth shaking....

Why should I when the question is beyond you?

Let me give you something easy. What is this and where is it? Maybe god will help you.

Don't we have a game thread for this?

[Svartalf]

Ah! You remembered my spirit animal. I wonder what our friend will see.

I know what I see, I don't know what it may be.