The Coronavirus Thread

[Joe]

Might even be a win for the virus. The more people who survive, the greater the chance for reinfections.

[pErvinalia]

Omicron confirmed in Australia. Here we go...

[JimC]

Might even be a win for the virus. The more people who survive, the greater the chance for reinfections.

That is one of the classic evolutionary trajectories for infectious disease - less harm, so the hosts survive longer, and infect more hosts...

[macdoc]

Involuntary vaccination ....I'll take it over Delta.

[JimC]

Involuntary vaccination ....I'll take it over Delta.

That will never run here, or in most jurisdictions, if by that you mean being forcibly injected against your will. Nor should it - a step too far.

Serious restrictions to freedoms for the unvaccinated, fine, but not that...

[macdoc]

via this variant.. stealth immunization
If it is as infectious as measles then if you are not vaccinated you get it.

[Scot Dutchy]

The "experts" are also very cautious. It is very contagious but the symptoms are very mild and will be hardly noticed by the vaccinated or those that have built up anti-bodies. Vaccination by stealth.

[pErvinalia]

Scot and Macdoc agree on something!

[aufbahrung]

So far good news. This could be the virus shooting itself in its own spike proteins

https://newsthump.com/2021/11/28/scient ... twitter-2/

[Tero]

common cold
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/general ... ation.html
is actually quite contagious. The difference is that it tends to sty in the upper respiratory part, but can give a little cough.

About half of "common cold" is rhinovirus, a different beast.

[Tero]

Reported estimates of R0 were heterogenous between viruses and even for the same virus: R0 for rhinovirus212,213, parainfluenza virus212 and adenovirus212,214 was usually slightly above 1 to 5, R0 for coronaviruses213,215 could be up to 8 (also based on a recent preprint213), whereas R0 for respiratory syncytial virus212,213, influenza viruses216, varicella zoster virus217 and measles virus218 may be as low as around 1 but could go up to above 5 or even above 10 (Table 1).

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-021-00535-6

the table give an Ro of 0.5 to 8 for the common cold HCoV


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579- ... 6/tables/1

[Tero]

An example of HCoV
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2918871/

[Tero]

Some pre-pandemic illnesses have returned already
In normal years, experts watch for new strains of the flu moving from the southern hemisphere, where the season runs from April to September, to the north as they figure out how to develop a vaccine to best protect people during the northern flu season in the fall.

But the hints early this summer weren’t about the flu; rather, they were about respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), an illness that has been known to cause severe sickness and sometimes death in older adults and young children. First Australia reported high spikes of RSV. Last winter, there were only a handful of cases of RSV in the U.S., but in early June, the CDC issued a health advisory about an uptick in interseasonal RSV activity across parts of the Southern United States.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/colds ... oming-back

a couple in my extended family got whooping cough from a kid

[Tero]

If Omicron takes over from other variants, it could lead to coronavirus becoming a flu level threat:
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/om ... 128-p59cuf

[JimC]

Some pre-pandemic illnesses have returned already
In normal years, experts watch for new strains of the flu moving from the southern hemisphere, where the season runs from April to September, to the north as they figure out how to develop a vaccine to best protect people during the northern flu season in the fall.

But the hints early this summer weren’t about the flu; rather, they were about respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), an illness that has been known to cause severe sickness and sometimes death in older adults and young children. First Australia reported high spikes of RSV. Last winter, there were only a handful of cases of RSV in the U.S., but in early June, the CDC issued a health advisory about an uptick in interseasonal RSV activity across parts of the Southern United States.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/colds ... oming-back

a couple in my extended family got whooping cough from a kid

Before Tilly was born, both Bron and I got a whooping cough booster shot to help protect her before she had the first vaccination...