The Coronavirus Thread

[Cunt]

Are you a 'my body my choice' kind of guy? Or a 'take the vaccine or you lose your rights' kind of guy?

I'm in the former camp (which is horrible, I know) and think the latter camp is also horrible.

[NineBerry]

Your body is your choice. But choices have consequences.

[Cunt]

Your body is your choice. But choices have consequences.

Yes, and I'm TRYING to shed this fat. Sheesh, nb, take it easy on me. I was injured/busy/mindfucked. I'm back at it...

[Hermit]

If people can choose to be obese, then they can choose to be unvaccinated. I do believe in personal liberty, but in a socialized medicine kind of country, it shocks me how many people can ignore one, while shrieking about the other.

Obesity is easily and clearly fixable. Some folks really can't get vaccinated.

Obesity is not infectuous.

[Cunt]

Obesity may or may not be infectuous, but that evades the question neatly.

Should people be forced to take reasonable measures to protect the health care resources? Like taking a vaccine, or reducing their weight?

Or only one of those?

Liberty for individual choice, or public health mandates?

[Sean Hayden]

100% conformity may be unwise. Of course if the only people not getting vaccinated are Trump supporters it's six of one, half a dozen of the other... --too crumplesque?

[Cunt]

Such an amusing view of the world. It's probably not possible to maintain it, if you knew how much Trump brags about his vaccines.

Or did the censorship work, preventing you from knowing what he says...?

[Joe]

100% conformity may be unwise. Of course if the only people not getting vaccinated are Trump supporters it's six of one, half a dozen of the other... --too crumplesque?

I suppose that we could look at it as fighting fire with fire. The virus adapts via natural selection, and most of us adapt with science and intellect.

It appears some of us a going the natural selection route.

[NineBerry]

Such an amusing view of the world. It's probably not possible to maintain it, if you knew how much Trump brags about his vaccines.

Or did the censorship work, preventing you from knowing what he says...?

The whole QAnon spiel has confused his fans. During the recent "cyber conference" to prove election fraud organized by the pillow salesman the speakers have several times referred to the vaccine as poison and dangerous and emphasized that none of them is going to get vaccinated.

[Sean Hayden]

Such an amusing view of the world. It's probably not possible to maintain it, if you knew how much Trump brags about his vaccines.

Or did the censorship work, preventing you from knowing what he says...?

I don't blame Trump for his supporters not taking the vaccine. Go back to when this thing kicked off and you'll find me arguing with seabass and others about the weirdness of blaming the President.

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This was just a goofy comment that hints at a bullshit evolutionary argument for avoiding the vaccine...

[Sean Hayden]

100% conformity may be unwise. Of course if the only people not getting vaccinated are Trump supporters it's six of one, half a dozen of the other... --too crumplesque?

I suppose that we could look at it as fighting fire with fire. The virus adapts via natural selection, and most of us adapt with science and intellect.

It appears some of us a going the natural selection route.

It does look that way. However, most have probably already had kids...

[Hermit]

Obesity may or may not be infectuous, but that evades the question neatly.

Should people be forced to take reasonable measures to protect the health care resources? Like taking a vaccine, or reducing their weight?

Or only one of those?

Liberty for individual choice, or public health mandates?

Obesity is not infectuous. Covid is. That is why obesity is a private health matter in precisely the way spreading the Coronavirus is not.

[L'Emmerdeur]

About the former US president's failure to make any real effort to change his followers' minds about the vaccine:

'Trump Keeps Rejecting Pleas From Allies for Pro-Vax Campaign'

It’s been more than six months since Donald Trump left office and, despite pleas from multiple friends and advisers, the former president has kept refusing to mount anything resembling a real effort to get his supporters vaccinated.

As COVID-19 continues to rip through the United States, Trump has done little more than make sporadic gestures toward the vaccine, including when he said he’d “recommend” people get the shot during a Fox News interview, while underscoring at the same time that he respected people’s “freedoms” to not get vaccinated.

But Trump’s resistance toward truly pushing for people to get the vaccine hasn’t been from lack of trying from some of his allies.

According to four people who’ve independently spoken to Trump about a potential pro-vaccine campaign, the former president has shown little interest in tying his name to broader efforts to get people inoculated.

When asked why Trump hadn’t done more on vaccines, Stephen Moore—who previously advised Trump on economic and coronavirus-related policy—said he didn’t have a “good answer for that.”

Moore, a former top Trump surrogate, said that after he published an op-ed in The Hill late last month arguing that Trump should give a national primetime address with President Joe Biden urging his supporters and voters to get the shot, “especially because of the Delta variant,” Moore made sure to send the article to the former president.

“I know from a friend who works with Trump that they gave it to him…[and that it] got to his desk,” he added. “I think he would be well-advised to make a public statement and a speech [devoted to] really encouraging people to get vaccinated; I think it would influence people…It would be in his own political interest, as well as the nation’s interest.”

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Although Trump has told unvaccinated supporters to get their coronavirus shots during a handful of public appearances—campaign-style rallies, fundraisers, media interviews—he’s also qualified his endorsement of the vaccines by emphasizing that the “freedoms” not to get it are important, too.

Trump even released a written statement last month sympathizing with anti-vaxxers because, according to Trump, "people are refusing to take the Vaccine because they don't trust [Biden’s] Administration, they don't trust the Election results, and they certainly don’t trust the Fake News, which is refusing to tell the Truth.”

In poll after poll this year, self-identified Republicans have been out of step with the mainstream of Americans on a number of public health issues related to the coronavirus pandemic, from attitudes towards mask requirements, to vaccine hesitancy, to blatant anti-vaccine posturing.

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A poll conducted by Monmouth University in late July found that Republicans make up the bulk of those who are staunchly opposed to the vaccine rather than the merely hesitant or procrastinating. Seventeen percent of respondents made up the hardcore of respondents who said they will “likely will never get the vaccine” if they can avoid it. Republicans make up the vast majority of those hardcore refusals, accounting for 70 percent of the “never” respondents compared to just six percent for Democrats.

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As for the current Trump fundraising operation, there isn’t much shyness when it comes to hitting up donors and supporters with messages encouraging vaccine “freedom.”

On Wednesday afternoon, Team Trump texted supporters asking, “Why haven’t you claimed your ‘FREEDOM PASSPORT’ shirt from President Trump?”

The link sends users to a page from WinRed, the Republican fundraising platform, offering a white T-shirt emblazoned with the American flag and the words “THIS IS MY FREEDOM PASSPORT” for a $45 donation.

While the page text itself doesn’t mention vaccines, metadata tags in the page’s html code instruct social media platforms to apply a more direct headline when the link is posted to Facebook or Twitter: “FREEDOM PASSPORTS > VACCINE PASSPORTS.”

[Cunt]

Obesity may or may not be infectuous, but that evades the question neatly.

Should people be forced to take reasonable measures to protect the health care resources? Like taking a vaccine, or reducing their weight?

Or only one of those?

Liberty for individual choice, or public health mandates?

Obesity is not infectuous. Covid is. That is why obesity is a private health matter in precisely the way spreading the Coronavirus is not.

Are you trying to get me to believe that coronavirus stops being infectuous by vaccination? Because I understood differently.

It seems that it passes through both groups just fine. Which is why they still recommend masks/distancing for the vaccinated.

So vaccine seems, mainly, to reduce severe outcomes/symptoms.

As does reducing bodyfat to a sensible range.

[Cunt]

Such an amusing view of the world. It's probably not possible to maintain it, if you knew how much Trump brags about his vaccines.

Or did the censorship work, preventing you from knowing what he says...?

The whole QAnon spiel has confused his fans. During the recent "cyber conference" to prove election fraud organized by the pillow salesman the speakers have several times referred to the vaccine as poison and dangerous and emphasized that none of them is going to get vaccinated.

Trump you mean? Or did you just non-sequitor on me?

Because a lot of people pretend they are criticising Trump, when they quickly shift to something someone told them Trump said, or 'sources familiar with his thinking say...' and other such transparent bullshit.