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[macdoc]

FFS our ill informed orange crank.

A) China will not stop using coal until it can replace it which it is doing rapidly https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chi ... 021-04-22/

B) Australia exports high quality coal which China buys. Stopping exports does nothing.

Australia however needs to get off coal faster for domestic use but it's a tiny fraction of the world problem.

Netherlands is no angel either on the supply side or the emissions.... stones, glass houses etc.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ic-ruling/

The US is a climate basketcase

[Hermit]

Will the Ozzies stop digging up coal?

Not before the owners of coal mines, 87% of which are overseas owned, lose all customers, also mostly located overseas, who will buy coal. 77% of all coal mined in 2019 was exported. That amounted to 393 million tons.

In the same year Indonesia exported 454 million tons and six other countries exported another 518 million tons. That means Australia accounted for about 28% of all coal exports.

[Brian Peacock]

Will Royal Dutch Shell stop oil extraction?

[Scot Dutchy]

FFS our ill informed orange crank.

A) China will not stop using coal until it can replace it which it is doing rapidly https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chi ... 021-04-22/

B) Australia exports high quality coal which China buys. Stopping exports does nothing.

Australia however needs to get off coal faster for domestic use but it's a tiny fraction of the world problem.

Netherlands is no angel either on the supply side or the emissions.... stones, glass houses etc.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ic-ruling/

The US is a climate basketcase

WTF so digging up coal has bugger all to do with climate change and releasing millions of tons of co2 into the atmosphere. Are you thick? Why dig it up if it is not going to be used? Every ton less matters or do you have trouble with comprehension.
If anybody is ill-informed it is our motor bike rider who makes hundreds of kilometres of journeys for no reason other than to appease his ego.
Our horticultural industry is making giant steps to achieve the set goals but as always more unsupported claims of the ignorant.

[Scot Dutchy]

Will Royal Dutch Shell stop oil extraction?

Yep. They are already moving into reusable fuel in a big way and meeting the 2030 norms set by our government and the courts.
They have no option after the court case won by Friends of the Earth:

In A Landmark Case, A Dutch Court Orders Shell To Cut Its Carbon Emissions Faster

Climate change activists have won a big legal victory against oil giant Royal Dutch Shell. A Dutch court ruled Wednesday that the company must reduce its greenhouse gas emissions 45% by 2030, based on 2019 levels.

The case could set a precedent for similar lawsuits against huge oil companies that operate across the globe.

"Our hope is that this verdict will trigger a wave of climate litigation against big polluters, to force them to stop extracting and burning fossil fuels," said Sara Shaw from Friends of the Earth International.

[Hermit]

WTF so digging up coal has bugger all to do with climate change and releasing millions of tons of co2 into the atmosphere. Are you thick? Why dig it up if it is not going to be used?

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Our horticultural industry is making giant steps to achieve the set goals...

Nice piece of cherry picking Dutchy. In 2016 the Netherlands ranked 27th out of 209 countries on a CO2 generation per capita basis. Of course, Australia ranked worse at 11, but whereas that was a 0.98% reduction on the previous year's CO2 emissions, the Netherlands increased its emissions by 1.63% compared to 2015.

As for coal consumption, are you suggesting that the manufacture of 12 ton prime movers and 10 ton armoured military vehicles at the DAF truck factory in Eindhoven does not involve the use of coal?

[Scot Dutchy]

Who is cherry picking and using old data. What aims are Ozland meeting? We have ours and what happened in the past is of no consequence but the aims of 2030 and 2050 are those that matter. We are doing everything to meet them is Ozland doing it?

You are a massive country and a tiny population. You should the best in the world but greed wont allow you.

[Hermit]

Who is cherry picking and using old data.

You are cherry picking and I am using the latest data I could find. True to form ("I dont rely on any data"), you are using none whatsoever.

What aims are Ozland meeting? We have ours and what happened in the past is of no consequence but the aims of 2030 and 2050 are those that matter. We are doing everything to meet them is Ozland doing it?

Sad but true, the current Australian government does not in fact aim at meeting any CO2 emission targets. That said, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, not what the pudding might taste like at some future date. Pious intentions regarding the future are irrelevant. Going by proof of the pudding that has been eaten, the Netherlands has receded from any stated aims by 1.63% from 2015 to 2016.

You are a massive country and a tiny population. You should the best in the world but greed wont allow you.

With a significantly tinier population the Netherlands should find it even easier to reduce CO2 emissions, but going by the figure I found it is doing the opposite. Dutch greed is demonstrably better than the greed of foreign interests running Australia's economy in general and its mining industry in particular. If you can find more recent figures, feel free to link to them.

[aufbahrung]

Need to accelerate CO2 production, a brief thirty year sprint in carbons, to get Mars colonised. It will make little difference to a multi-century juggernaut in motion but will create a credible safety zone for if Earth becomes uninhabitable altogether. Then slow down the carbons. If you think there's a simple on-off switch for climate change and salvation means throwing industrial civilization into the greenie meatgrinder your not the thinkers I took you all for.

[pErvinalia]

your not the thinkers I took you all for.

and you're not the thinker I took you for..

[Scot Dutchy]

With a significantly tinier population the Netherlands should find it even easier to reduce CO2 emissions, but going by the figure I found it is doing the opposite. Dutch greed is demonstrably better than the greed of foreign interests running Australia's economy in general and its mining industry in particular. If you can find more recent figures, feel free to link to them.

Really! We have one of the most highest density of population on Earth. You have 7 inhabitants per sq/km. We have 416 sq/km. We have a tiny country on an estuary. 46% of the country is below sea level.
When you talk about greed being better is that less greed or more greed and what do you that base it upon. Dutch society is not greedy as we dont all have to be billionaires in fact most people are just content with a good and happy life. We dont live to work and in fact only work to be able to live the life we want which means we like to work as little and efficiently as possible. A normal working week is 36 hours and not all the hours of the clock.

Here is a list of goals agreed to in Parliament in regard to implementing the Paris Accord.

Nationale doelen voor terugdringen van broeikasgassen
(National goals to reduce the production of greenhouse gases.)

De Klimaatwet stelt vast met hoeveel procent ons land de CO2-uitstoot moet terugdringen. De Klimaatwet moet burgers en bedrijven zekerheid geven over de klimaatdoelen:

(The Climate Act states the percentage amount needed for the reduction of co2 emissions. The Climate Act must give the citizens and business security concerning the climate goals.)

49% minder CO2-uitstoot in 2030 ten opzichte van 1990.
Om dit doel te halen, hebben de overheid, bedrijven en maatschappelijke organisaties een Klimaatakkoord gesloten. Er staan ook afspraken in die partijen onderling hebben gemaakt.
95% minder CO2-uitstoot in 2050 ten opzichte van 1990.

(49% less emissions in 2030 of co2 compared to 1990)
(To reach these goals the government, business, social organisations have agreed to a climate accord. There also exists agreements made between different parties.)
(95% less emissions in 2050 of co2 compared to 1990)

These goals are on top of the those from the Paris Accord.
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpe ... maatbeleid

[Sean Hayden]

You can't live on Mars. You literally have to provide the environment on Mars.

[Hermit]

With a significantly tinier population the Netherlands should find it even easier to reduce CO2 emissions, but going by the figure I found it is doing the opposite. Dutch greed is demonstrably better than the greed of foreign interests running Australia's economy in general and its mining industry in particular. If you can find more recent figures, feel free to link to them.

Really! We have one of the most highest density of population on Earth. You have 7 inhabitants per sq/km. We have 416 sq/km. We have a tiny country on an estuary. 46% of the country is below sea level.

Proof that Dutch greed is demonstrably better than the greed of foreign interests running Australia's economy in general and its mining industry in particular. Thanks for finding the more recent figures I requested.

When you talk about greed being better is that less greed or more greed and what do you that base it upon. Dutch society is not greedy as we dont all have to be billionaires in fact most people are just content with a good and happy life. We dont live to work and in fact only work to be able to live the life we want which means we like to work as little and efficiently as possible. A normal working week is 36 hours and not all the hours of the clock.

Thanks for telling me that Dutch people are so different to Australians. Do you have any data to support your views?

Sorry for asking. I momentarily forgot that you don't rely on any data.

Here is a list of goals agreed to in Parliament in regard to implementing the Paris Accord...

To repeat: The proof of the pudding is in the eating, not what the pudding might taste like at some future date. Pious intentions regarding the future are irrelevant. Going by proof of the pudding that has been eaten, the Netherlands has receded from any stated aims by 1.63% from 2015 to 2016.

[Scot Dutchy]

You dont even have a recipe for a pudding. Does Ozland have any goals except for digging up most of the country? I cant find any government aims but of course you never have any.
You are not a Northern European Socialist Democracy. Just how would you describe Ozland? You are really nothing are you not. A massive country with a microscopic population. A undemocratic government as with most Anglo-Saxon countries. Not bad in the corruption stakes though but not as good as Fernland. Good at swimming.
You cant compare the two countries on any level. They are chalk and cheese and I like the cheese.

[Brian Peacock]

A major part of the problem here is thinking about this national terms rather than as a global matter. The whole house is on fire now, and yet we distract ourselves from the flames by arguing over who's got the best plan to put out the fire in their corner of the property and when they're going to get round to doing it, or we say that we're not going to even try to put our fires out downstairs until we can be sure that the people upstairs are going to make an effort too. It's ridiculous. If we don't act now we all burn. It really is that simple.