A Lot of America’s millennials approve of communism

[Sean Hayden]

[JimC]

It is still worth remembering that past experiments in communism have gone horribly wrong, being quickly and easily perverted into ruthless authoritarian states. I am not saying that any dalliance with socialism automatically leads there, but there is at least a propensity for enthusiastic supporters to work on the principle that the end justifies the means, always a slippery slope to ruin.

What the American right decries as socialism is merely justified government action, not to abolish free enterprise, but to curb its excesses and provide things like genuine universal healthcare for all.

[Seabass]

Calling things that aren't fundamentalist religions fundamentalist religions is the new fundamentalist religion.

[Seabass]

Yeah right. If they'd just stop lying about us there would be nothing to hate.

Sure there would be, but it's like a million times worse because of hate radio, Breitbart, Fox News...

[Sean Hayden]

Yeah right. If they'd just stop lying about us there would be nothing to hate.

Sure there would be, but it's like a million times worse because of hate radio, Breitbart, Fox News...

Yep, they are a real threat. I also don't think the relationship is symmetrical in terms of potential harm either, which seems to be a real need for those who make these whatabout arguments.

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But I also do think the left is full of rotten shitheads who've got no real experience with those they claim to support.

--I believe that is why I spent the early part of Trump's term being triggered by all the hate directed at Republicans. The complaints were just so equally applicable to so many of the unfortunate that it really bothered me.

[aufbahrung]

Could go either way, one side better liars and one side better at hiding the bodies. However it plays out there'll be a movie franchise in it at the end that'll last longer than the regime(s) to come. Socialism leads to Communism and it is a question how long before the maxi prisons become gulags or concentration work rehabilitation camps (oh they are already, not much change needed there then?)

[pErvinalia]

Is communism the new Ebola?

[rainbow]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... -approve-/

More than a third of America’s millennials approve of communism
By Robert T. Wood, Washington Times - - Thursday, July 22, 2021

This month, 31-year-old Arizona state representative Daniel Hernandez (D-Tucson) mocked the notion that communist ideology was a threat to American society. He remarked in a jocular tone: “We keep hearing about the threat of communism,” that it’s a “great threat, it is such a bad threat. You know what’s a bigger threat? White nationalism.”

Mr. Hernandez’s comments drew the ire of state representative Quang Nguyen (R-Prescott Valley), who, at 12-years-old, left Tan Son Nhut airport in Vietnam a week before the fall of Saigon.

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More that a third of Millennials wouldn't know what Communism is.

What a stupid statistic.

“So let me tell you something about white nationalism. White nationalism didn’t drown 250,000 Vietnamese in the South China Sea. The communists did. White nationalism did not execute 86,000 South Vietnamese at the fall of Saigon.

I wonder how many Vietnamese were killed by Americans during that War?

Does Quang Nguyen describe them as victims of Capitalism?

[aufbahrung]

I guess if the right wants to terminate the headlong dash into communism it will have to alter the demographic so that 33% of potential commies become 24% of potential commies...but how could it do that though?

[laklak]

"Work" camps.

[Brian Peacock]

Why Socialists Are Despised, As Explained By George Orwell

If one accepts Orwell’s premise that for the common man socialism means improved living and working conditions, why is socialism unpopular? The fault lies with socialists. For one thing, socialism attracts a fair number of cranks. “One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.” Some of those categories should be dropped and new ones should be added, such as gender studies students. However, the sentiment is correct. An ideology that appeals to a large number of oddballs has little hope of being adopted by the average man.

...

George Orwell was a rare individual, a socialist with worldly experience and a capacity for introspection. Capitalism’s future is secure for as long as the political left fails to produce men like him.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timreuter/ ... rwell/amp/

I've noticed the angry Right often like to give the impression of revering and/or admiring Orwell for his insight, when in fact he'd loath and despise pretty much everything they stand for. The people who like to trot out Orwell are the same ones who trot out MLK as if he'd agree with everything they say. Apparently it takes a socialist to prove that socialism is bad, and a civil rights hero to prove that BLM is a lie - but where's the right-wing counterparts proving neoliberaliam false, eh? Nobody on the Left is saying "Even the Right think that the Right is wrong," so perhaps it's only the Right who go in for that kind of Cuntish Exceptionalism?

[Brian Peacock]

It is still worth remembering that past experiments in communism have gone horribly wrong, being quickly and easily perverted into ruthless authoritarian states. I am not saying that any dalliance with socialism automatically leads there, but there is at least a propensity for enthusiastic supporters to work on the principle that the end justifies the means, always a slippery slope to ruin.

What the American right decries as socialism is merely justified government action, not to abolish free enterprise, but to curb its excesses and provide things like genuine universal healthcare for all.

... It is still worth remembering that current experiments in neoliberaliam have gone horribly wrong, being quickly and easily perverted into ruthless, authoritarian mechanisms that degrade human rights and undermine democracy while literally raping the planet to death.

[Brian Peacock]

I guess if the right wants to terminate the headlong dash into communism it will have to alter the demographic so that 33% of potential commies become 24% of potential commies...but how could it do that though?

Scamdemic, of course.

[JimC]

It is still worth remembering that past experiments in communism have gone horribly wrong, being quickly and easily perverted into ruthless authoritarian states. I am not saying that any dalliance with socialism automatically leads there, but there is at least a propensity for enthusiastic supporters to work on the principle that the end justifies the means, always a slippery slope to ruin.

What the American right decries as socialism is merely justified government action, not to abolish free enterprise, but to curb its excesses and provide things like genuine universal healthcare for all.

... It is still worth remembering that current experiments in neoliberaliam have gone horribly wrong, being quickly and easily perverted into ruthless, authoritarian mechanisms that degrade human rights and undermine democracy while literally raping the planet to death.

I don't deny the need for serious change, or that our current systems have major issues of injustice, but it is still worth remembering that some attempted cures can be worse than the disease.

[Sean Hayden]

Why Socialists Are Despised, As Explained By George Orwell

If one accepts Orwell’s premise that for the common man socialism means improved living and working conditions, why is socialism unpopular? The fault lies with socialists. For one thing, socialism attracts a fair number of cranks. “One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.” Some of those categories should be dropped and new ones should be added, such as gender studies students. However, the sentiment is correct. An ideology that appeals to a large number of oddballs has little hope of being adopted by the average man.

...

George Orwell was a rare individual, a socialist with worldly experience and a capacity for introspection. Capitalism’s future is secure for as long as the political left fails to produce men like him.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timreuter/ ... rwell/amp/

I've noticed the angry Right often like to give the impression of revering and/or admiring Orwell for his insight, when in fact he'd loath and despise pretty much everything they stand for. The people who like to trot out Orwell are the same ones who trot out MLK as if he'd agree with everything they say. Apparently it takes a socialist to prove that socialism is bad, and a civil rights hero to prove that BLM is a lue - but where's the right-wing counterparts proving neoliberaliam false, eh? Nobody on the Left is saying "Even the Right think that the Right is wrong," so perhaps it's only the Right who go in for that kind of Cuntish Exceptionalism?

The left is always doing this. I do it a lot since Trump.

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Where are the Republicans of yesteryear? Where are those who rejected the John Birch Society, who stood up to Joe McCarthy in the '50s, who worked across the aisle to pass landmark Civil Rights legislation? Where are the Republicans of old who knew how to speak truth to power and who convinced Richard Nixon he had to resign for the good of the country? Where are the courageous Republicans who believed in conservatism, like Liz Cheney, who would say simply and truthfully, Joe Biden is President, Trump is not a patriot and does not represent our Party?

And, finally, where are the Republicans who can see that the rise of wild and crazy conspiracy theories they know are false, coupled with blind loyalty to a former president who has more in common with fascist authoritarian dictators than past American presidents, are all leading us rapidly down the road to the destruction of our democracy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.co ... -and%3famp