All Things Trump: the story continues...

[Seabass]

... and your side demands...

So far, free speech and free expression seem worth sticking with. I have since way back when that position made me a lefty.

What the fuck does the Electoral college have to do with free speech?

[Cunt]

You tried to say my 'side' demands...

My principles have stayed the same. Free speech used to mean left, now it means right. I don't care either way. Free speech is more important than any ignorant goons who try to suppress it, whether those goons are government, churches, corporations or wandering groups of antifa.

[Seabass]

You tried to say my 'side' demands...

My principles have stayed the same. Free speech used to mean left, now it means right. I don't care either way. Free speech is more important than any ignorant goons who try to suppress it, whether those goons are government, churches, corporations or wandering groups of antifa.

This has nothing to do with the electoral college.

You're like Forty Two if someone took his brain out, stepped on it, and put it back in his head.

[Cunt]

Oh will you stop mindlessly parroting dumb right-wing talking points and just admit that you like the Electoral College because you have taken sides in the US culture war and your side demands that you support the Electoral College.

I expressed understanding of its function. Now that you mention it, I do support it.

Less government, less centralized sounds good, considering how good they are at doing stuff.

and your side demands that you support...

Does your side make those demands of you?

[Seabass]

Oh will you stop mindlessly parroting dumb right-wing talking points and just admit that you like the Electoral College because you have taken sides in the US culture war and your side demands that you support the Electoral College.

I expressed understanding of its function. Now that you mention it, I do support it.

Less government, less centralized sounds good, considering how good they are at doing stuff.

and your side demands that you support...

Does your side make those demands of you?

You don't understand jack shit.

Firstly, you were wrong about why the Electoral College exists:
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 1#p1910111

Secondly, the Electoral College has zilch to do with the size or centralization of government.

[JimC]

Much of the political structure developed in the US constitution reflects the enormous difficulty of co-ordinating government operations across a whole continent in the horse and buggy era, as well as compromises demanded by the people in charge in the original states. The first reason has now vanished, the second is the very opposite of a principled and compelling reason...

[Cunt]

You still haven't convinced me that Ottawa should make decisions for Grise Fjord.

Or that the UN should choose for Nigeria.

The US seems to have more ways to protect individual freedoms, than most countries. A big part of that is having a neutered federal government.

[Seabass]

You still haven't convinced me that Ottawa should make decisions for Grise Fjord.

Or that the UN should choose for Nigeria.

The US seems to have more ways to protect individual freedoms, than most countries. A big part of that is having a neutered federal government.

This is just stream of consciousness non sequiturs.

[JimC]

You still haven't convinced me that Ottawa should make decisions for Grise Fjord.

Or that the UN should choose for Nigeria.

The US seems to have more ways to protect individual freedoms, than most countries. A big part of that is having a neutered federal government.

Ah, it depends on what sort of decisions you mean. In your Canadian example, it is probably sensible that Grise Fjord makes decisions on the hours its library operates, or the timing of garbage pick-ups, rather than Ottowa. Voting procedures, not so much.

And, both Nigeria and Canada are nations, so your "UN vs Nigeria" example is simple bullshit...

[Brian Peacock]

Oh will you stop mindlessly parroting dumb right-wing talking points and just admit that you like the Electoral College because you have taken sides in the US culture war and your side demands that you support the Electoral College.

I expressed understanding of its function. Now that you mention it, I do support it...

But only when the right guy wins eh?

[Tero]

Trump will be reinstated any day now

[Tero]

On another forum in a thread related to Trump and Marjorie Three Names:

-She probably thinks Sweet and Sour Chicken is a bioweapon.

-Of course it is. It's meant to make us addicted to alien food which will, somewhere down the road, give us high cholesterol. And of course, we'll keep on cracking open those fortune cookies which contain secret codes. Those clever Chinese play a very long game.

-It goes back over 150 years ago to when Chinese immigrants were working on the transcontinental railroad. They had anchor babies whose descendants then started establishing Chinese restaurants in order to make it look innocent when the bioweapon Sweet and Sour Chicken would be unleashed on an unsuspecting populace. Talk about a long game! They truly are 'inscrutable'!

-It was all the master plan of General Tso, who's wife was King Pao (who I hear was pretty hot)

(http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... st13509128)

[Tero]

Lindell, the substitute Trump
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheDailyShow ... 3383343106
they are going to find fraud anytime now. Like Bigfoot, it's in the next episode. Always the next.

[Tero]

Pence on fire, falsehood after falsehood. Gets booed by evangelicals anyway for not declaring Trump winner:

He also threw out false assertions to go after “culture war” targets currently in vogue in conservative media including “cancel culture” and “defund the police”.

Among them was critical race theory which, developed by academics starting in the 1970s, examines how racism embedded in law and institutions creates an uneven playing field for people of color in America. Numerous Republican controlled states have moved to ban it from being taught in schools.

Pence crudely misrepresented the intellectual tool by stating: “Instead of teaching all of our children to be proud of their country, critical race theory teaches children as young as kindergarten to be ashamed of their skin color. Critical race theory is racism, pure and simple – and it should be rejected by every American of every race.”

“The truth is it’s past time for America to discard the left wing reflex to see systemic racism across our nation. As my friend Senator Tim Scott says so well, America is not a racist country – America is the most just, noble and inclusive nation ever to exist on the face of the earth.”

In another wildly contentious claim, Pence said: “The United States military is the greatest force for good the world has ever known.”

Pence closed a morning session that included Republican senators Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and Rick Scott, all potential rivals for the 2024 nomination. Trump himself has not yet declared whether he will run or whether Pence would again be his running mate.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ce-heckled

[Brian Peacock]

Pence: “Instead of teaching all of our children to be proud of their country, critical race theory teaches children as young as kindergarten to be ashamed of their skin color. Critical race theory is racism, pure and simple – and it should be rejected by every American of every race.”

When he says 'our children', to that particular audience, we all know exactly what he means, don't we(?)

His point, such that it is, depends on fostering and promoting an understanding that skin colour denotes a distinct and discreet boundary between types of people, but one that goes beyond simply distinguishing between people by skin colour alone - e.g. white people are one type of people with certain and particular attributes and qualities, and black people are another, separate type of people etc.

This idea is given voice by his complaint that an examination of how notions of race have historically influenced or impacted the conditions or structures of current society should not be a source of shame, but nonetheless is being forwarded as something shameful - and that those feelings of humiliation or distress caused by an awareness of wrong or foolish behaviour are unjustified.

By complaining that (let's face it) white people are supposedly being made to feel ashamed of the social conditions, attitudes and actions of past generations Pence is admitting that there's something shameful about that past while at the same time saying that there's nothing people today should feel ashamed of - and where they might or do feel embarrassed or ashamed about the past (about their past, or 'our past' as white people, etc) this is an illegitimate and undue personal burden. To call this burden racism is to clam that it is unjustly prejudiced or biased against not just the people of the past but also against those who identify with them today. In a way he's complaining that because black people don't share the same kinds of shameful burdens from the past with white people then white people are being treated unfairly.

The question is, why should any person feel ashamed of the actions of others, whether historically or contemporaneously, unless one personally identifies with them and/or feels some kind of personal responsibility for their actions - and why would people identify with them and/or feel some kind of personal responsibility for their actions unless white people are all one type of people and black people another?

The other question is why can people like Pence not break their personal associations with generations past by acknowledging the historic and social conditions of those times and moving things forward to ensure that we all try and avoid future generations being ashamed of what we do today? But I think we all know the answer to that one, eh?