All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

[Tero]

Well, the ID is a state ID now, since the gun nuts have resisted all federal IDs, because it would lead to a federal gun permit and register of all gun owners. We only have paper social security cards and passports as national ID.

[JimC]

And I suspect that state ID in Alabama is a little different for a black man as compared to white...

[Cunt]

A lot of people think certain groups are not smart enough to get ID.

Unless it is their 2A rights under consideration. Then they should HAVE to get an ID.

[Tero]

And I suspect that state ID in Alabama is a little different for a black man as compared to white...

They like to put the driver's licence office, only place to get that ID, as far from the ghetto as possible. Not on a bus line.

[Seabass]

A lot of people think certain groups are not smart enough to get ID.

[pErvinalia]

A lot of people think certain groups are not smart enough to get ID.

Evidence* for this?

* - Yes I know, asking you for evidence is a fools game.

[laklak]

If requiring an ID to vote is preventing a portion of the population from exercising their constitutional rights, then isn't requiring an ID for gun purchases doing exactly the same thing?

[Cunt]

Many of the 'anti-gun' lobby are people who use armed security.

Considering police and armored car services are often armed, maybe it's truer to say ALL of them.

[L'Emmerdeur]

If requiring an ID to vote is preventing a portion of the population from exercising their constitutional rights, then isn't requiring an ID for gun purchases doing exactly the same thing?

Yes it is. Citizens' rghts are infringed upon every day in the US, and have been since the founding of the republic. These infringements are justified in various ways. In the case of firearms, the infringement is ostensibly intended to prevent foreseeable mayhem and murder. Mayhem and murder are significant problems.

There is abundant evidence that when firearms get into the hands of felons and the mentally unstable, mayhem and murder ensue. This is a legitimate justification for infringing on the right to bear arms, specifically requiring an ID and a background check.

In the case of voting the infringement is ostensibly intended to prevent voting fraud. There is no evidence that voting fraud is a significant problem in the US. Given the fact that voting fraud is extremely rare despite ID not being required in many jurisdictions, there is not a legitimate justification for infringing on the right to vote by requiring an ID.

[Tero]

If requiring an ID to vote is preventing a portion of the population from exercising their constitutional rights, then isn't requiring an ID for gun purchases doing exactly the same thing?

No. The election has to do with a specific ward, county. The gun permit is state wide. So if you move, no big deal. If you vote in the wrong ward (your old one, cause you never re-registered), you are committing a crime. Many times a black male has no specific address. It could be mom's, it could be at a girlfriend.

[laklak]

I get that, but that's not my question. Both voting and gun ownership are constitutional rights, and there's no hierarchy of rights, all are equal before the law. If it is OK to require a poor black man to have an ID to purchase a gun, then why isn't it OK to require the same poor black man to have an ID to vote? Same black man, same issues with getting an ID, it's exactly the same thing. Racist governmental restrictions are preventing him from exercising his constitutional rights like the rich white dude does. How is that OK? We restrict the right to keep and bear arms with lots and lots of different laws, which differ from state to state. Why is it not OK to do exactly the same thing to the vote?

"Guns are dangerous" or "Voting doesn't kill people" isn't an answer, a constitutional right is a constitutional right. Either change the constitution (good fucking luck with that) or stop being hypocritical.

[laklak]

There is abundant evidence that when firearms get into the hands of felons and the mentally unstable, mayhem and murder ensue. This is a legitimate justification for infringing on the right to bear arms, specifically requiring an ID and a background check.

But what about the black person without an ID? Is he or she or ze not allowed to protect themselves? White dude is allowed to stand his ground, but the black guy isn't?

If murder and mayhem ensue because mentally unstable / felonious people get their hands on guns, then what justification do you have for restricting their ownership ("assault rifle" or not) to law abiding citizens?

[pErvinalia]

Freedum!

[Cunt]

They all want guns. Most of them want to keep their hands clean, so they have a hired man to do it for them.

Poor people sometimes have to do for themselves.

[Tero]

I get that, but that's not my question. Both voting and gun ownership are constitutional rights, and there's no hierarchy of rights, all are equal before the law. If it is OK to require a poor black man to have an ID to purchase a gun, then why isn't it OK to require the same poor black man to have an ID to vote? Same black man, same issues with getting an ID, it's exactly the same thing. Racist governmental restrictions are preventing him from exercising his constitutional rights like the rich white dude does. How is that OK? We restrict the right to keep and bear arms with lots and lots of different laws, which differ from state to state. Why is it not OK to do exactly the same thing to the vote?

"Guns are dangerous" or "Voting doesn't kill people" isn't an answer, a constitutional right is a constitutional right. Either change the constitution (good fucking luck with that) or stop being hypocritical.

The gun is a luxury item. There is a cost to the gun and ID. And we want to protect ourselves. The guns are a danger to me.

The voting is not a luxury. Birth certificate should be enough proof. Take finger prints if you like.

My mother in law votes. She has no valid photo ID. She would need medical transport to the license office.

If we had a national heLth insurance and there was a free photo ID, that would work. But feds have no presence in every county aside from the post office.