Only in America

[Sean Hayden]

But that's not true. You're fooling yourself.

The gun violence in cities like Chicago and Houston is widely talked about across various media in addition to mass shootings, which btw occur so often that you're likely unaware of most e.g. shooting at a party in Houston few weeks back.

[Cunt]

But that's not true. You're fooling yourself.

The gun violence in cities like Chicago and Houston is widely talked about across various media in addition to mass shootings, which btw occur so often that you're likely unaware of most e.g. shooting at a party in Houston few weeks back.

My accusation is that the media uses certain killings to sell ad-space, while downplaying others.

Tony Timpa wouldn't sell as much ad-space as other, more marketable victims of police misconduct, for example.

[Sean Hayden]

You claimed people don't care about gun violence, and were instead just NPCs lead around by evil media.

But that's what you say about everything. Think about that. How many issues have you reduced to a problem with the media?

Media problems are interesting, but unlikely to pack the explanatory power you imagine, surely...

[Cunt]

You claimed people don't care about gun violence, and were instead just NPCs lead around by evil media.

Look again. I claimed media didn't.

But that's what you say about everything. Think about that. How many issues have you reduced to a problem with the media?

Media problems are interesting, but unlikely to pack the explanatory power you imagine, surely...

Why not tell me why Tony Timpa was overall ignored by media.

[Sean Hayden]

Cunt: "Look again. I claimed media didn't."

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Looking...

To me, it shows that people don't care about gun violence, except when the media makes a big deal of it.

That's you, talking about NPCs being misled by the media.

[Cunt]

Cunt: "Look again. I claimed media didn't."

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Looking...

To me, it shows that people don't care about gun violence, except when the media makes a big deal of it.

That's you, talking about NPCs being misled by the media.

Yup. A lot of us are, despite protestations about 'not falling for that'.

The media, powered by huge money, drums up those lies for a reason. (the reason is that it pays)

I mistakenly pointed out the wrong 'responsible party'. Now that you 'got' me, why not tell me why you think Tony Timpa wasn't suitable for that media push.

Or just ignore it. You did catch me mistyping, admitting that I think a lot of people fall for media bullshit.

[Sean Hayden]

Now that you 'got' me, why not tell me why you think Tony Timpa wasn't suitable for that media push.

Nobody's been "got". Why don't you tell me about Tony Timpa. I've never heard of him, and in the process you can make it clear how his story relates to our current disagreement.

[Hermit]

I didn't say 'black', by the way. Just pointed out that there are LOTS of killings

Of course not, but you need not have mentioned it. Firstly, I don't think anyone regards you as a racist. I certainly don't. Secondly, "I didn't say 'black'" is no indication of not being a racist. Most racists manage to be racists without mentioning blacks, Jews, Asians or any other supposed races. President Nixon didn't say 'black' when he declared his 'war on drugs' in 1971, but everybody with two synapses or more between their ears knew what he meant. In 1994 Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs, John Ehrlichman explained it to those who did not:

The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

The media crows about 'gun violence', when a 'mass shooter' event happens, killing 10.

If, the same weekend, there are 20 'gun violence' deaths in Chicago, it is likely that they won't bother.

If they cared about gun violence, they would crow about all of it. As it is, they use certain incidences of gun violence to push their agenda, while ignoring gun violence that contradicts it.

All true. The mass media don't care. They don't care because people don't care much about the fact that ten people were killed in six separate shootings last Friday in Chicago. There is nothing spectacular about those. They are just a tiny part of the 19,000 people who get shot dead in the US every year. Statistics. Who cares?

The sad fact is that mass shootings are spectacular. People like reading spectacular. Mass shootings attract readership in the exact same way ordinary shootings and statistics do not.

A greater number of readers means more advertising revenue, and that is the agenda. What the talking heads or writers personally think about gun violence is irrelevant. They are employed to contribute to the profit of the company that pays them for their labour. If nobody listens to what they say or reads what they write because they talk or write about boring statistics or murders that would only interest people living nearby, they'll find themselves out of a job in no time. If they are lucky they'll get a job with a local paper or TV station.

[Seabass]

Why not tell me why Tony Timpa was overall ignored by media.

It was not ignored by the media, jackass. You're getting this crap from your far-right media bubble that is all about white grievance and victimhood.

[Cunt]

Now that you 'got' me, why not tell me why you think Tony Timpa wasn't suitable for that media push.

Nobody's been "got". Why don't you tell me about Tony Timpa. I've never heard of him, and in the process you can make it clear how his story relates to our current disagreement.

No, you 'got' me. I meant to blame media, and mis-wrote. I was wrong.

The reason you don't know about Tony Timpa? I don't know. I speculate that, while it is pretty ugly what the cops did to him, it didn't pay well (in ad-dollars) to repeat the story again and again. Here is a snippet I found...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tony-timpa ... -who-died/

The footage showing the August 2016 death of Tony Timpa in Dallas shows an officer pinning him to the ground with his hands cuffed behind him for nearly 14 minutes as the 32-year-old eventually becomes unresponsive. Officers are heard joking that Timpa had fallen asleep, with one yelling "five more minutes, mom!"

I haven't watched the videos, or read too much of the story. It is ONE death, among many. What IS related?

It looks to me like media chooses which stories to repeat, and which to leave unpromoted. (memory-holed, is a phrase used to describe it)

BLM has been supported by many local, state and federal governments. Heaps of corporations. Lots of favourable media coverage. My theory for that, is that most people dislike racism, and like to see something being done about it.

So the news uses that to sell ad-space.

[Sean Hayden]

Sure, we've been down this road before. Remember when we discussed BLM previously and I tried to get you to consider the movement as its own entity apart from the media?

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Who took up this other guy, Timpa's, cause?

[Seabass]

Now that you 'got' me, why not tell me why you think Tony Timpa wasn't suitable for that media push.

Nobody's been "got". Why don't you tell me about Tony Timpa. I've never heard of him, and in the process you can make it clear how his story relates to our current disagreement.

No, you 'got' me. I meant to blame media, and mis-wrote. I was wrong.

The reason you don't know about Tony Timpa? I don't know. I speculate that, while it is pretty ugly what the cops did to him, it didn't pay well (in ad-dollars) to repeat the story again and again. Here is a snippet I found...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tony-timpa ... -who-died/

The footage showing the August 2016 death of Tony Timpa in Dallas shows an officer pinning him to the ground with his hands cuffed behind him for nearly 14 minutes as the 32-year-old eventually becomes unresponsive. Officers are heard joking that Timpa had fallen asleep, with one yelling "five more minutes, mom!"

I haven't watched the videos, or read too much of the story. It is ONE death, among many. What IS related?

It looks to me like media chooses which stories to repeat, and which to leave unpromoted. (memory-holed, is a phrase used to describe it)

BLM has been supported by many local, state and federal governments. Heaps of corporations. Lots of favourable media coverage. My theory for that, is that most people dislike racism, and like to see something being done about it.

So the news uses that to sell ad-space.

Of course you're turning this into some white grievance bullshit. Where are you getting this shit from, Crowder? Pool?

MOST police killings don't get as much attention as George Floyd, fool. The George Floyd killing was a particularly gruesome one that unfolded on video for 9 fucking minutes. It was the one that broke the camel's back. But what you're getting out of this is "the media doesn't cover it when the cops kill a white guy because the corporations love BLM". You have no idea how fucking stupid and racist this sounds.

[Hermit]

Why not tell me why Tony Timpa was overall ignored by media.

He wasn't. Washington Post, New York Times, NBC, BBC, CBS, Huffington Post, The Guardian were among the many mainstream media reporting on his death in 2016. There was a second wave of articles and videos when the bodycam video of his death was finally released three years later, and a third wave when a federal judge dismissed the excessive force suit against the five Dallas police officers involved out. The Wikipedia has an article on Tony Timpa's death and you can buy a book about him at Amazon and pretty much all other sites that sell books. Stop regurgitating bullshit you uncritically accept to be true because it harmonises with your biases.

[Cunt]

Oh, you are no doubt right. Police brutality against a white guy didn't piss very many people off.

In the US, it seems to enrage the public much more, if the person brutalized by the police has certain characteristics.

It's almost like the country itself is opposed to racism.

[Seabass]

Oh, you are no doubt right. Police brutality against a white guy didn't piss very many people off.

In the US, it seems to enrage the public much more, if the person brutalized by the police has certain characteristics.

Yes, Cunt, white people are the real victims here.

It's almost like the country itself is opposed to racism.

About half of us, anyway. The other half is opposed to black people "whining" about racism.