Palestine v Israel.

[Hermit]

Why do you think Palestine doesn't invest in an iron dome of their own?

1) The Palestinians don't have the money.
2) The US won't sell them the technology and hardware even if they had.

[JimC]

Yes, it also wouldn't help.

Maybe their plain existence in that area.

Maybe their continuing seizures of Palestinian properties...

[Hermit]

Yes, it also wouldn't help.

Maybe their plain existence in that area.

Maybe their continuing seizures of Palestinian properties...

We've gone there four days ago.



Our member from Yellowknife deems it too unimportant to comment on. He deflects the issue with a series of whataboutisms.

[Brian Peacock]

Yes, it also wouldn't help.

It's not Israeli bombs that are generating the complaints, so much as their expansion in that area. Maybe their plain existence in that area.

No. Israel's bombing is generating complaints, not only in terms of the euphemistic 'collateral damage' but their deliberate targetting of journalists, infrastructure, power and food distribution, hospitals, the homes civil leaders, doctors and hospital administrators.

The Gaza strip and the West Bank are some of the most densely populated conurbations in the region. Israel maintains that their bombing is defensively necessary and thereby justified under internationally accepted rules on warfare (Israel has not declared war on the occupied territories, or the civil administration thereof, or the Palestinian state (which doesn't exist, and which currently Israel wouldn't recognise if it did)) but the impact of the bombing and shelling on the non-combatant domicile citizens of such a densely populated area amounts to 'collective punishment', which runs counter to the very rules the Israeli govt cites in justification.

[Cunt]

Yes, it also wouldn't help.

It's not Israeli bombs that are generating the complaints, so much as their expansion in that area. Maybe their plain existence in that area.

No. Israel's bombing is generating complaints, not only in terms of the euphemistic 'collateral damage' but their deliberate targetting of journalists, infrastructure, power and food distribution, hospitals, the homes civil leaders, doctors and hospital administrators.

Does Hamas earn the charge that they use civilians, journalists, hospitals and children as shields?

It sounds like there is more than one side of the 'targetting journalists' bullshit.

Bullshit from both sides, surely. I'm pretty sure though, that the reason the journalists recently reported that they had to flee their building, was because Israeli forces took the time to warn them.

Does Hamas use similar warnings to protect Israel civilians?

[Hermit]

Does Hamas earn the charge that they use civilians, journalists, hospitals and children as shields?

Could it be somewhat difficult to site rocket launchers in unpopulated areas when there are more than 5000 people living on every square kilometre of the Gaza strip?

I'm pretty sure though, that the reason the journalists recently reported that they had to flee their building, was because Israeli forces took the time to warn them.

Does Hamas use similar warnings to protect Israel civilians?

Does Hamas have access to the technology that could use similar warnings to protect Israel civilians?

[Brian Peacock]

Good job Cunt can't watch videos. He'd probably find this one too distressing...

[Joe]

Things aren't that simple.

Why do you think Palestine doesn't invest in an iron dome of their own?

That part is simple. The Palestinians lack the technological manufacturing infrastructure to develop a defense system like the Iron Dome, and are unlikely to develop it due to import restrictions on "dual use" technology imposed by the Israelis. This also prevents them from purchasing such a system, if they could afford it.

They are limited to what they can smuggle in.

[aufbahrung]

Things aren't that simple.

Why do you think Palestine doesn't invest in an iron dome of their own?

That part is simple. The Palestinians lack the technological manufacturing infrastructure to develop a defense system like the Iron Dome, and are unlikely to develop it due to import restrictions on "dual use" technology imposed by the Israelis. This also prevents them from purchasing such a system, if they could afford it.

They are limited to what they can smuggle in.

Basically a inferior technological civilization on a slow burn to extinction in the presence of one more advanced

[Brian Peacock]

Things aren't that simple.

Why do you think Palestine doesn't invest in an iron dome of their own?

That part is simple. The Palestinians lack the technological manufacturing infrastructure to develop a defense system like the Iron Dome, and are unlikely to develop it due to import restrictions on "dual use" technology imposed by the Israelis. This also prevents them from purchasing such a system, if they could afford it.

They are limited to what they can smuggle in.

Basically a inferior technological civilization on a slow burn to extinction in the presence of one more advanced

Except that the so-called 'primitives' here are kept in that sorry state by an occupying military force which acts as gatekeeper, prison guard, judge, jury, and executioner.

[Joe]

Things aren't that simple.

Why do you think Palestine doesn't invest in an iron dome of their own?

That part is simple. The Palestinians lack the technological manufacturing infrastructure to develop a defense system like the Iron Dome, and are unlikely to develop it due to import restrictions on "dual use" technology imposed by the Israelis. This also prevents them from purchasing such a system, if they could afford it.

They are limited to what they can smuggle in.

Basically a inferior technological civilization on a slow burn to extinction in the presence of one more advanced

Except that the so-called 'primitives' here are kept in that sorry state by an occupying military force which acts as gatekeeper, prison guard, judge, jury, and executioner.

In addition, the conflict here is between the "Western" and "Arabian" civilizations, and how this plays out over the next few centuries is unknown. Civilizations wax and wane in respect to one another, and assuming an imbalance in capabilities is permanent ignores the examples of history.

Things can change quickly - think of the Meiji Restoration in Japan.

[Svartalf]

What west/arab conflict? the sons of Israel and those of Ishmael just resumed the old family dispute as soon as the former came back in sufficient numbers to make confrontation advantageous.

[Joe]

What west/arab conflict? the sons of Israel and those of Ishmael just resumed the old family dispute as soon as the former came back in sufficient numbers to make confrontation advantageous.

Charles Martel might have had a different view.

[JimC]

What west/arab conflict? the sons of Israel and those of Ishmael just resumed the old family dispute as soon as the former came back in sufficient numbers to make confrontation advantageous.

Israeli society is very westernised...

[Svartalf]

What west/arab conflict? the sons of Israel and those of Ishmael just resumed the old family dispute as soon as the former came back in sufficient numbers to make confrontation advantageous.

Charles Martel might have had a different view.

the old Pippinid didn't have a family tradition to uphold in the matter, nor did he go crusading to the holy land.