"Alt-right" Still Parading Ignorance, Stupidity, Malice, Etc.

[Brian Peacock]

I've asked you twice about the best ways to identify fascists - as this is relevant to the point you were making - and you've dodged that question twice now. And yet you're absolutely certain that you're right about Antifa being wrong about people and groups like The Proud Boys etc. So, how can you tell?

I suspect your source regarding who and what Andy Gno is is Andy Gno himself, just as I suspect that your source about who and what The Proud Boys are are people like The Proud Boys themselves. I also suspect that your sources about who and what Antifa are are also people like Gno and The Proud Boys too. Am I right about that?

Regardless, how do you tell if someone is or isn't an ultra-nationalist, a white supremacist, or a neo-Nazi even if they say, "We're not fascists - we're just patriots who want what's best for our country and our community."?

[Cunt]

I've asked you twice about the best ways to identify fascists - as this is relevant to the point you were making - and you've dodged that question twice now. And yet you're absolutely certain that you're right about Antifa being wrong about people and groups like The Proud Boys etc. So, how can you tell?

I don't accuse people of being fascists, so don't need to use it.

Antifa uses force to stop people from speaking. Because of their name, I think they are as much 'fascist' as any of their accussees.

If you want me to weigh in on a certain group, I think the CCP is fascist.

I suspect your source regarding who and what Andy Gno is is Andy Gno himself

Yes, and some of his supporters.

If you want to call him fascist, I think that is based on nothing. If you want to accuse him of something clear, I would look into it.

Most accusations of him though, don't give any excuse for him being beaten by antifa.

just as I suspect that your source about who and what The Proud Boys are are people like The Proud Boys themselves. I also suspect that your sources about who and what Antifa are are also people like Gno and The Proud Boys too. Am I right about that?

Nope.

Antifa identifies themselves endlessly, by opposing free speech, often with a 'diversity of tactics' which include force.

So fascists.

If you want to know what the 'Proud Boys' are, you are talking about a defined group, which has a charter.

What from their groups charter is 'fascist'?

Or are you going to judge them by the actions of some few of their members?

Regardless, how do you tell if someone is or isn't an ultra-nationalist,

Is it wrong to be ultra-nationalist? Or is that what one would hope for the US, where EVERYONE can become a citizen by following the lawful route?

a white supremacist,

I don't know any who are taken seriously. Do you?

or a neo-Nazi even if they say, "We're not fascists - we're just patriots who want what's best for our country and our community."?

If someone is a US 'ultra-nationalist', they support granting citizenship to people of any race, creed or colour.

How exactly is that a problem for you? Is it because you are NOT a US beneficiary of 'ultra-nationalism'?

Is your country more open? More welcoming if refugees, for instance? Or is it more 'ultra-nationalist' than the US?

[Joe]

So if you think Antifa is fascist, isn't calling someone Antifa calling them fascist?

Asking for a friend.

[Cunt]

See? The word becomes useless once the lefty's deform it.

It's why I ask other descriptions, when someone screeches 'x is fascist'. It usually means 'x' is a different political alignment or something.

[Seabass]

Trump is not a fascist (or at least not NEARLY as much as Biden).

[Seabass]

I've asked you twice about the best ways to identify fascists - as this is relevant to the point you were making - and you've dodged that question twice now. And yet you're absolutely certain that you're right about Antifa being wrong about people and groups like The Proud Boys etc. So, how can you tell?

I don't accuse people of being fascists, so don't need to use it.

Antifa uses force to stop people from speaking. Because of their name, I think they are as much 'fascist' as any of their accussees.

If you want me to weigh in on a certain group, I think the CCP is fascist.

I suspect your source regarding who and what Andy Gno is is Andy Gno himself

Yes, and some of his supporters.

If you want to call him fascist, I think that is based on nothing. If you want to accuse him of something clear, I would look into it.

Most accusations of him though, don't give any excuse for him being beaten by antifa.

just as I suspect that your source about who and what The Proud Boys are are people like The Proud Boys themselves. I also suspect that your sources about who and what Antifa are are also people like Gno and The Proud Boys too. Am I right about that?

Nope.

Antifa identifies themselves endlessly, by opposing free speech, often with a 'diversity of tactics' which include force.

So fascists.

If you want to know what the 'Proud Boys' are, you are talking about a defined group, which has a charter.

What from their groups charter is 'fascist'?

Or are you going to judge them by the actions of some few of their members?

Regardless, how do you tell if someone is or isn't an ultra-nationalist,

Is it wrong to be ultra-nationalist? Or is that what one would hope for the US, where EVERYONE can become a citizen by following the lawful route?

a white supremacist,

I don't know any who are taken seriously. Do you?

or a neo-Nazi even if they say, "We're not fascists - we're just patriots who want what's best for our country and our community."?

If someone is a US 'ultra-nationalist', they support granting citizenship to people of any race, creed or colour.

How exactly is that a problem for you? Is it because you are NOT a US beneficiary of 'ultra-nationalism'?

Is your country more open? More welcoming if refugees, for instance? Or is it more 'ultra-nationalist' than the US?

This might just be the dumbest post I have ever seen on an internet forum. You have no idea what 'fascism' means.

[Seabass]

"The left doesn't know what fascism is.

By the way, ultranationalism is good!"

You can't make this shit up.

[Joe]

See? The word becomes useless once the lefty's deform it.

It's why I ask other descriptions, when someone screeches 'x is fascist'. It usually means 'x' is a different political alignment or something.

Why do you need to ask? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, then it's probably a duck.

There's just one catch. You have to know what a duck is.

Is Seabass right that you aren't clear on what fascism is? it was before your time, after all?

[Seabass]

Cunt, didn't Brian suggest that you read Umberto Eco's essay, Ur Fascism? Did you ever read it?

No, you didn't, because of fucking course you didn't. Fucking Stephen Crowder is no substitute for actual education.

When was the last time you actually read something?

Wait a minute... can you read?

Listen Cunt, if you are unwilling or unable to read one friggin' essay, then you should shut the fuck up about fascism.

The gulf between what you think you know and what you actually know is large enough to hold Jupiter FFS. The only better example of Dunning-Kruger is the orange one.

[Cunt]

See? The word becomes useless once the lefty's deform it.

It's why I ask other descriptions, when someone screeches 'x is fascist'. It usually means 'x' is a different political alignment or something.

Why do you need to ask? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, then it's probably a duck.

There's just one catch. You have to know what a duck is.

Is Seabass right that you aren't clear on what fascism is? it was before your time, after all?

This from Miriam Webster today...

What to Know
Fascism refers to a way of organizing society with an emphasis of autocratic government, dictatorial leadership, and the suppression of opposition.

OK...which 'opposition' got suppressed, when considering the two US political party leaders?

A lot of fools would say 'the FASCISTS!!!', but it ignores the humble fact that the powerful suppress opposition by allying with facebook, amazon and the alphabet people.

Anyone can spout bullshit about covid, for example, but the powerful will only bother to 'fact check' the things that conflict with their narrative.

So Joe Rogan is scolded for speaking in a non-expert way about virology, but Bill Gates isn't.

[Cunt]

Cunt, didn't Brian suggest that you read Umberto Eco's essay, Ur Fascism? Did you ever read it?

No, you didn't, because of fucking course you didn't. Fucking Stephen Crowder is no substitute for actual education.

When was the last time you actually read something?

Wait a minute... can you read?

Listen Cunt, if you are unwilling or unable to read one friggin' essay, then you should shut the fuck up about fascism.

The gulf between what you think you know and what you actually know is large enough to hold Jupiter FFS. The only better example of Dunning-Kruger is the orange one.

You are both equally convincing.

But that just means I don't believe either of you has a good, clear bead on reality.

Enjoy yourself though. You do always say things that make your 'side' sound tolerant and diverse.

[Seabass]

Cunt. Have you read Ur Fascism?

[Brian Peacock]

...
You are both equally convincing.

But that just means I don't believe either of you has a good, clear bead on reality.

Enjoy yourself though. You do always say things that make your 'side' sound tolerant and diverse.

That's not the issue. 'Fascist' and 'fascism' are pretty solid in the political context. Sure, some people use it as a slur against others, like you did when you likened Antifa to fascists, and sometimes it's misapplied, but to watch you wiggle and deflect around straightforward questions one would think that nobody really knows what the terms mean and they're always misapplying them even if they do. However, in order to maintain this line of argument you must surely have to know what fascism is in order to be able to point out when and where it's misapplied or merely being used as an easy slur. It seems you don't, and therefore you don't.

[pErvinalia]

See? The word becomes useless once the lefty's deform it.

No it becomes useless when you get your mitts on it. Calling antifa fascist is facile.

[Joe]

See? The word becomes useless once the lefty's deform it.

It's why I ask other descriptions, when someone screeches 'x is fascist'. It usually means 'x' is a different political alignment or something.

Why do you need to ask? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, then it's probably a duck.

There's just one catch. You have to know what a duck is.

Is Seabass right that you aren't clear on what fascism is? it was before your time, after all?

This from Miriam Webster today...

What to Know
Fascism refers to a way of organizing society with an emphasis of autocratic government, dictatorial leadership, and the suppression of opposition.

OK...which 'opposition' got suppressed, when considering the two US political party leaders?

What's Lin Cheney say?

A lot of fools would say 'the FASCISTS!!!', but it ignores the humble fact that the powerful suppress opposition by allying with facebook, amazon and the alphabet people.

Anyone can spout bullshit about covid, for example, but the powerful will only bother to 'fact check' the things that conflict with their narrative.

So Joe Rogan is scolded for speaking in a non-expert way about virology, but Bill Gates isn't.

I get why you don't like fact checks, but you're blowing smoke. Answer me this; when was the last time you fact checked something?