Republicans: continued

[Hermit]

Shapiro reviewed a poll which asked how many black men were killed by police in 2019 (or was it 2020?)

What was so interesting to me, was how the poll respondents were wrong on that number, according to their political alignment.

Anyone want to guess which party was 'follow the science' and which was 'suckle at the establishment propaganda'?

I was wrong by about a factor of 10, by the way.

Yeah. On the totals alone US cops shoot more unarmed white men than unarmed Black men. What do you think that tells us?

That 60% of the US population is white and 13% is black.

I have researched the issue and posted about it here a few years ago. Can't find the post now, but the result was that for every unarmed white person the US police killed 2.6 blacks.

[pErvinalia]

Cops are racist against whites!

[JimC]

Is it possible, just possible, that there are more unarmed white men than unarmed black men in the US?

[Sean Hayden]

I still think it's weird that it doesn't matter if the cop is black or white either, they're both just as likely to shoot a black person.

[Sean Hayden]

But I have always tended to think of police as their own gang; it's just cops vs everybody else I guess.

[JimC]

But I have always tended to think of police as their own gang; it's just cops vs everybody else I guess.

That is probably true most places in the world. However, the paranoia level in US cops has got to be higher, given the much higher probability that someone they pull over is armed, compared to most other places in the western world.

[Sean Hayden]

--meh, they've been peddling that bullshit for ages

As for the danger, yes, police work is a lot more dangerous than what I do. But it’s a lot less dangerous than working as a roofer or a truck driver or a farmer or a garbage collector. And while truckers would really appreciate it if the rest of us gave them a wider berth on the highway, they and roofers and garbage collectors and others in dangerous occupations seldom if ever give off the air of aggrieved menace that many police officers, and especially their union leaders, currently do. That’s partly because nobody’s marching around carrying signs saying “Abolish the Sanitation Department,” of course, but I do think a major issue with today’s police is that so many officers perceive the risks they face as akin to, say, parachuting into hostile territory in Afghanistan or Iraq when in reality they are much closer to those involved in pruning shrubbery or building houses.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... olice-work

[Hermit]

But I have always tended to think of police as their own gang; it's just cops vs everybody else I guess.

Not just that. It would not surprise me if it turned out that blacks generally share the sentiment that blacks are more dangerous than whites. They might regard the much higher per capita imprisonment of the former as evidence.

[JimC]

--meh, they've been peddling that bullshit for ages

As for the danger, yes, police work is a lot more dangerous than what I do. But it’s a lot less dangerous than working as a roofer or a truck driver or a farmer or a garbage collector. And while truckers would really appreciate it if the rest of us gave them a wider berth on the highway, they and roofers and garbage collectors and others in dangerous occupations seldom if ever give off the air of aggrieved menace that many police officers, and especially their union leaders, currently do. That’s partly because nobody’s marching around carrying signs saying “Abolish the Sanitation Department,” of course, but I do think a major issue with today’s police is that so many officers perceive the risks they face as akin to, say, parachuting into hostile territory in Afghanistan or Iraq when in reality they are much closer to those involved in pruning shrubbery or building houses.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... olice-work

Rightly or wrongly, it seems that police perceptions are fuelling their itchy trigger fingers...

[JimC]

But I have always tended to think of police as their own gang; it's just cops vs everybody else I guess.

Not just that. It would not surprise me if it turned out that blacks generally share the sentiment that blacks are more dangerous than whites. They might regard the much higher per capita imprisonment of the former as evidence.

Not sure of the data, but I seem to remember that the high rate of death by murder for young black males was largely at the hands of their fellow young black males. This, of course, could be used as racial propaganda, but in reality points to a social and economic environment of despair...

[Cunt]

Shapiro reviewed a poll which asked how many black men were killed by police in 2019 (or was it 2020?)

What was so interesting to me, was how the poll respondents were wrong on that number, according to their political alignment.

Anyone want to guess which party was 'follow the science' and which was 'suckle at the establishment propaganda'?

I was wrong by about a factor of 10, by the way.

Yeah. On the totals alone US cops shoot more unarmed white men than unarmed Black men. What do you think that tells us?

I don't know. The poll he referred to, asked how many unarmed black men, total, killed by police in the US.

As I said, my guess was off a bunch. The point of his segment was that many people, some of them taking action, had the number wrong, too. Some by a lot more than I was wrong.

No surprise though, considering how some shooting incidents are used more than others, by news orgs, for selling ad space. It's about what sells more, not about what facts are.

[Hermit]

But I have always tended to think of police as their own gang; it's just cops vs everybody else I guess.

Not just that. It would not surprise me if it turned out that blacks generally share the sentiment that blacks are more dangerous than whites. They might regard the much higher per capita imprisonment of the former as evidence.

Not sure of the data, but I seem to remember that the high rate of death by murder for young black males was largely at the hands of their fellow young black males. This, of course, could be used as racial propaganda, but in reality points to a social and economic environment of despair...

Yes. 90% of blacks are victims of other blacks (2014 data), and poverty does breed crime. Blacks are significantly poorer than whites, no matter from which aspect you look at the situation. Black unemployment has been double the rate of white unemployment for decades. In 2018 the average family income among blacks was $40,692, while it was $70,642 for no-Hispanic whites. Black child poverty rates are triple the white child poverty rates, white families own nearly ten times the wealth of black families, and so on. Once you add the facts that blacks are more likely to be jailed for the same crime - and for longer, it comes as no surprise that blacks are nearly six times more likely to be imprisoned than whites on a per capita basis.

Races are not real. Racism is.

[Cunt]

Trump supporters are...

[Hermit]

Trump supporters are...

...racist fuckers. Almost all of them. Hence the preponderance of the confederate battle flag, and the demand to keep statues of Robert E. Lee on display in prominent public places.

[Cunt]

Trump supporters are...

...racist fuckers. Almost all of them. Hence the preponderance of the confederate battle flag, and the demand to keep statues of Robert E. Lee on display in prominent public places.

lol you are AWESOME!

I'm going to go listen to some Hodge Twins. You know - for contrast.