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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by JimC » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:10 pm

It is obvious that partisan politics played a big part in this whole impeachment saga, and that fear of consequences in the primaries was a significant factor for the Republican senators who voted to acquit.

However, even if a verdict had come from a panel of completely neutral judges, I suspect an acquittal would have been likely, or at least possible, on narrow legal grounds. Trump has clear moral culpability for the incitement, but his words allow a reasonable doubt in terms of direct causation of the Capitol invasion.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:20 pm

Not to my mind they don't.
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Post by JimC » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:25 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:
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Not to my mind they don't.
Is that just you being certain (as I am) that Trump has clear moral responsibility for the events at the Capitol?

I am considering the strong possibility that an acquittal would have been the result on narrow legalistic grounds...
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Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:33 pm

Acquittal is always possible. You certainly don't actually need "reasonable doubt", the law is perfectly capable of contracting itself --progress often being the contradiction of previously held notions of sound legalistic grounds...

I prefer the law not to make an ass of itself by ignoring reality.
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JimC wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:10 pm
It is obvious that partisan politics played a big part in this whole impeachment saga, and that fear of consequences in the primaries was a significant factor for the Republican senators who voted to acquit.

However, even if a verdict had come from a panel of completely neutral judges, I suspect an acquittal would have been likely, or at least possible, on narrow legal grounds. Trump has clear moral culpability for the incitement, but his words allow a reasonable doubt in terms of direct causation of the Capitol invasion.
Geez it's a shame they used bullshit evidence, that they were so sloppy with then.

I like the part where the Dem rep had to retract his statement, and tried to do so by saying he was accurately quoting an article.

Shouting 'because it was a lie' was great to hear.
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Post by Tero » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:44 am

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Post by JimC » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:34 am

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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:36 am

He's far from irrelevant. With the Republican's base being his base he's the Republican's king-maker now.
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Post by JimC » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:38 am

An Eminence Grease indeed... :tea:
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An Eminence Grease indeed... :tea:
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Post by rainbow » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:40 pm

JimC wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:10 pm
It is obvious that partisan politics played a big part in this whole impeachment saga, and that fear of consequences in the primaries was a significant factor for the Republican senators who voted to acquit.

However, even if a verdict had come from a panel of completely neutral judges, I suspect an acquittal would have been likely, or at least possible, on narrow legal grounds. Trump has clear moral culpability for the incitement, but his words allow a reasonable doubt in terms of direct causation of the Capitol invasion.
Can someone explain to an unsophisticated African why Trump wasn't subpoenaed to testify to the Senate explaining why he didn't call the National Guard as soon as he knew that the Capitol had been invaded?
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Post by Tero » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:35 pm

Er, no. But congressional subpoenas are rather weak.
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Post by Tero » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:35 pm

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The lawsuit, filed by Mississippi Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson in his personal capacity, is the first civil action filed against the former President related to the attack at the US Capitol and comes days after the Senate acquitted Trump in his impeachment trial.
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Post by Cunt » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:39 pm

The process is the punishment. It's really all they have to attack him with.
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Post by blindfaith » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:01 pm

Cunt wrote:
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The process is the punishment. It's really all they have to attack him with.
They could use large sticks?

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