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Post by Elessarina » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:58 am

I wouldn't read too much into that. Most films have love story elements. And most stories sound flimsy in summary. And there are only 8 original storylines.

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Elessarina wrote:I wouldn't read too much into that. Most films have love story elements. And most stories sound flimsy in summary. And there are only 8 original storylines.
I would've said there are no original storylines. :coffee:
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Post by Elessarina » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:15 am

Depends how you mine mean the word original

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Post by Elessarina » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:23 pm

It looks amazing in 3D, I went to the footage twice. And wary interviewed for channel 4 for a documentary they are making :)

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Post by GeneticJen » Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:44 am

I'm willing to leave my brain at home and forget all science when I see this (as you pretty much have to do with every sci-fi film), but it does really annoy the living piss out of me when alien organisms have evolved not only to be humanoid which is incredible enough as it is, but almost identically human with a few minor alterations.

But as I said, I can leave that at home and enjoy the film for the story etc. But it still pisses me off. I do understand that the the love element of the film may have been lost to most of the audience if Sam Worthington's character gets to live life as an alien mould-like species.

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Post by Animavore » Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:45 am

Peter Harrison wrote:but it does really annoy the living piss out of me when alien organisms have evolved not only to be humanoid which is incredible enough as it is, but almost identically human with a few minor alterations.
I thought it was just me :sniff:
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Post by GeneticJen » Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:50 am

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Peter Harrison wrote:but it does really annoy the living piss out of me when alien organisms have evolved not only to be humanoid which is incredible enough as it is, but almost identically human with a few minor alterations.
I thought it was just me :sniff:
In the trailer when he looks at his hands and feet, I feel almost embarrassed. I mean, come on! But as I said, I can actually forget all this at the cinema in order to enjoy the film. It's like when I go to see a horror movie, I can switch off my knowledge that there are cameramen etc and actually imagine myself going through what is happening in the film as if it's real.

So if anything really ruins the experience for me, it will be if the film itself is shit. The whole humanoid alien thing is just something for me to moan and whine about before and after.

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Post by Animavore » Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:53 am

I noticed at the start of the ad he's in a wheelchair, the main guy. I mean come on! They have the technology to put the guy into the body of another species but, not to fix whatever's wrong with his legs. Yeah right.
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Post by Elessarina » Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:03 pm

Animavore wrote:I noticed at the start of the ad he's in a wheelchair, the main guy. I mean come on! They have the technology to put the guy into the body of another species but, not to fix whatever's wrong with his legs. Yeah right.
It's not another species it's a human-Na'vi hybrid "Avatar" -it's his Avatar created from his DNA.

At present we have the technology to allow someone to control a computer mouse with their brain but cannot cure many medical problems.. not a similar comparison but just saying..

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It's not another species it's a human-Na'vi hybrid "Avatar" -it's his Avatar created from his DNA.
Oh. That makes it all clear now :lol:
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Post by GeneticJen » Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:15 pm

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It's not another species it's a human-Na'vi hybrid "Avatar" -it's his Avatar created from his DNA.
Oh. That makes it all clear now :lol:
I'm assuming that at least some of the characters in the trailer are native Na'vi. And still all more or less human. This is a critism of sci-fi in general, which I think would be better named as just fi. Having space, DNA or robots doesn't imply there's any actual science. So understand I'm not knocking this film which I'm quitely hoping will be one of the best of his films. I'm just venting.

It's like watching something like Star Trek and seeing that people are actually HAPPY to use teleporters! :lol:

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Post by Animavore » Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:16 pm

Peter Harrison wrote: It's like watching something like Star Trek and seeing that people are actually HAPPY to use teleporters! :lol:
Why wouldn't they be? :think:
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Post by GeneticJen » Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:21 pm

They break down the matter that is you, and recreates it exactly at the other end. To everyone else in the universe, it would be you coming out the other end, but it wouldn't really be. It's a suicide machine that creates an identical copy of you in another location. Your mission can continue, life will go on for other people and the new you, but you will die. The new you would simply feel like the whole thing worked, still having the memories of using the teleporter. But your life would actually end.

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Post by Animavore » Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:25 pm

Peter Harrison wrote:They break down the matter that is you, and recreates it exactly at the other end. To everyone else in the universe, it would be you coming out the other end, but it wouldn't really be. It's a suicide machine that create an identical copy of you in another location. Your mission can continue, life will go on for other people and the new you, but you will die. The new you would simply feel like the whole thing worked, still having the memories of using the teleporter. But your life would actually end.
Whoa. Deep philosophical ponderings. If the 'you' that came out the other end retained all the previous memories up to the point of teleportation and continued on to all intends and purposes you never died.
Also, it would be the end of disease. Have the computer think AIDS is a computer error and it doesn't form back with on the other side. I fail to see a negative her unless, you don't believe you have a soul do you, and each time you die your soul goes to hell so you end up in hell a hundred times? :shock:
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Post by GeneticJen » Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:30 pm

Animavore wrote:Whoa. Deep philosophical ponderings. If the 'you' that came out the other end retained all the previous memories up to the point of teleportation and continued on to all intends and purposes you never died.
Bollocks. OK, look at it this way. Say I cloned you right now. I don't mean cloning as we do in reality, I mean creating an exact copy of you atom for atom. You both feel like the "real" you, of course. But you were the original. If I then kill you, do you wake up in the clone? No, you're dead. We all feel like you're still around, since this copy does everything like you would, but it's not you. A new life has started, that has all the memories etc that you had. But your life has ended.

You say "to all intends and purposes you never died". That would be the case for people who met the copy of you, assuming it was still the original. It really wouldn't matter. But in reality, your life really would have come to an end.

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