Media Bias

[rainbow]

You need to keep up. Scott was claiming that governments were over-reporting infections for purposes of authoritarian control. Of course, his hate for the US and UK trumped that, where he claimed they were under-reporting numbers for purposes of looking good.

Meh, my friends in Belgium tell me the Netherlands under-report deaths due to Covid.

Dutch Authoritarian Control is the Best Authoritarian Control!

[Cunt]

There is a joke about a dutch-rudder in here, but I can't find it.

Too many grownup-pops.

[rainbow]

Personally, and through the vast corporations I control - I funded a few dozen. That helps me get my name on the research paper without having to do most of the work.

Can you explain 'p-hacking' and phacking, to pErvinalia?

No. Please send me a two page motivation on PM. My consultancy rates are $2000 per hour.

...so how much scientific research have you funded, and how much have you actually done yourself?

[Cunt]

I've funded none. I'm named as 'expert' in some biology papers, but they didn't ask me. I never even biologized. At least not that I know of.

It's ok if you don't understand phacking and p-hacking and how they sooth a scientist. I'm

[pErvinalia]

a Cunt?

[Cunt]

a Cunt?

I do use it in reality, but no, I'm not listed as Cunt.

Sigh.

[Scot Dutchy]

Joe that load of crap was worthy of a Trump supporter. Your are just pathetic.

Wow, I never thought I'd say this, but Seth was right about something.

Engaging in personal attacks simply shows the weakness of your rhetorical skills and your lack of valid arguments.

BTW. The Prof you claim supports your position appears to see the value of international Covid comparisons in this tweet.



Additionally, this article in the International Journal of Epidemiology argues for such an effort, while acknowledging the difficulties, and makes a comparison similar to Hermit's

The issue was that, although it is difficult to reliably compare COVID-19 population fatality rates between countries, it is also quite clear that some countries (e.g. UK, USA, Italy, Spain, Belgium, France) have markedly higher burdens of COVID-19 mortality than others (e.g. New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, South Korea, Germany). Although one could not say definitively that the UK was the worst in the world, it was performing worse than some countries which had tried alternative control strategies, and there are things that we can learn from that contrast.

Indeed, epidemiology is built on the idea of studying differences between populations. Much of what we have learnt about the causes of disease has had its origins in comparisons of countries.3,4 For example, in the 1950s, it was realized that colorectal cancer risks were high in Europe and low in Africa, possibly due to dietary differences in fibre from fruit and vegetable intake. Similarly, liver cancer was common in Asia, which eventually provided a link to hepatitis B. International differences in cervical cancer incidence and mortality suggested an infectious cause, later established as human papillomavirus (HPV).

COVID-19 is different. The causative agent, SARS-CoV-2, is clear; the task is to learn how to best block the virus’s transmission and to prevent infections from progressing to severe disease and death.

As the pandemic unfolds, there are numerous natural experiments in progress, as countries adopt different approaches. Although international comparisons are often disparaged because of different data quality and fears of the ‘ecological fallacy’, if done carefully they can play a major role in our learning what works best for controlling COVID-19.3 Furthermore, these natural experiments are yielding clear results within weeks or months (e.g. on the success of the Asian approaches). Thus, there needs to be more thoughtful and thorough analyses of country differences, done by experienced epidemiologists, as it is probably the most important and most valid evidence for informing COVID-19 policy in real time.

And after all, what is the alternative? It is impossible or unethical to randomize a lockdown, or other aspects of physical distancing. There could be trials of intensive population testing,5 or prophylactic treatment of household contacts, but few have been launched to date. And all the time, the COVID-19-clock ticks relentlessly on, accumulating more deaths and more survivors with debilitating long-term health problems.

And that's the difference between the approach of professionals and that of dilettantes on the internet. The pro's figure out how to make these comparisons because they must.

I wonder what you'll call me for the temerity of pointing that out.

So what are you trying to prove Joe? He says it will take years before you can make a comparison but Hermit reckons you can make it now in a pissing up the wall contest. I am not against making comparisons but at this moment in time it is not possible which is what the good prof is saying. So what are trying to prove by agreeing with me. Of course we have to learn from each other but making a pissing up the wall contest is not helpful. What do you achieve by making league tables especially based on data that is accepted as not being trustworthy.

[Scot Dutchy]

You need to keep up. Scott was claiming that governments were over-reporting infections for purposes of authoritarian control. Of course, his hate for the US and UK trumped that, where he claimed they were under-reporting numbers for purposes of looking good.

Meh, my friends in Belgium tell me the Netherlands under-report deaths due to Covid.

Dutch Authoritarian Control is the Best Authoritarian Control!

I wish TB would read and comprehend a thing or two. Ofcourse rainbow you have hard evidence for this? Or is it from your Wallonian friends?

[Hermit]

...Hermit reckons you can make it now in a pissing up the wall contest ... making a pissing up the wall contest is not helpful.

How exactly is it me making a pissing up the wall contest. I provide statistics to back my opinions up with. You don't. I do not keep claiming that people who disagree with me keep drinking the Kool-Aide. You do. You keep personalising the discussion with your mentions of pissing contests and Kool-Aide. I keep to debating by use of statistics. You offer none, and on the rare occasion when you do, as was the case with wealth distribution in the USA, you just pull one straight out of your arse. Of course, you'll counter that accusing you of having pulled a statistic straight out of your arse is personalising a discussion, but that is precisely what you did, isn't it? When you finally came up with an external source purportedly supporting your ex recto statement, it turned out to factually agree with the statistics I linked to a lot more than with your made up assertion.

[rainbow]

You need to keep up. Scott was claiming that governments were over-reporting infections for purposes of authoritarian control. Of course, his hate for the US and UK trumped that, where he claimed they were under-reporting numbers for purposes of looking good.

Meh, my friends in Belgium tell me the Netherlands under-report deaths due to Covid.

Dutch Authoritarian Control is the Best Authoritarian Control!

Or is it from your Wallonian friends?

What part of 'my friends in Belgium tell me' are you battling to grasp?

[Scot Dutchy]

...Hermit reckons you can make it now in a pissing up the wall contest ... making a pissing up the wall contest is not helpful.

How exactly is it me making a pissing up the wall contest. I provide statistics to back my opinions up with. You don't. I do not keep claiming that people who disagree with me keep drinking the Kool-Aide. You do. You keep personalising the discussion with your mentions of pissing contests and Kool-Aide. I keep to debating by use of statistics. You offer none, and on the rare occasion when you do, as was the case with wealth distribution in the USA, you just pull one straight out of your arse. Of course, you'll counter that accusing you of having pulled a statistic straight out of your arse is personalising a discussion, but that is precisely what you did, isn't it? When you finally came up with an external source purportedly supporting your ex recto statement, it turned out to factually agree with the statistics I linked to a lot more than with your made up assertion.

Once again going into full reverse gear. Your quoting of data is silly according to the prof so how does it back up your argument of comparing countries when he says it will take years to have sufficient data? You are also quoting data that for many is not trustworthy but to you is set in stone and just sent down from the mount.
You personalised the discussion from the beginning. You cant accept that I admitted I had made a mistake by quoting a projection but keep on referring to it as some sort of mantra.
What is the point of using data that is untrustworthy and inaccurate. I would not but you keep on running with it when no one else does and then you say I am a spoilsport because I dont want to take part in your pissing up the wall game? Please...

[Scot Dutchy]

You need to keep up. Scott was claiming that governments were over-reporting infections for purposes of authoritarian control. Of course, his hate for the US and UK trumped that, where he claimed they were under-reporting numbers for purposes of looking good.

Meh, my friends in Belgium tell me the Netherlands under-report deaths due to Covid.

Dutch Authoritarian Control is the Best Authoritarian Control!

Or is it from your Wallonian friends?

What part of 'my friends in Belgium tell me' are you battling to grasp?

Friends where exactly?

[rainbow]

You need to keep up. Scott was claiming that governments were over-reporting infections for purposes of authoritarian control. Of course, his hate for the US and UK trumped that, where he claimed they were under-reporting numbers for purposes of looking good.

Meh, my friends in Belgium tell me the Netherlands under-report deaths due to Covid.

Dutch Authoritarian Control is the Best Authoritarian Control!

Or is it from your Wallonian friends?

What part of 'my friends in Belgium tell me' are you battling to grasp?

Friends where exactly?

Exactly Belgium. You might've heard of it.

[Scot Dutchy]

Well it depends who you talk to but you have "friends" there so you must know. For many of its inhabitants België does not exist but of course you know that having "friends" there.

[rainbow]

Well it depends who you talk to but you have "friends" there so you must know. For many of its inhabitants België does not exist but of course you know that having "friends" there.

Yes, they don't like the Dutch especially the Netherlands Dutch.
Apparently they are rude,uneducated and smell funny.

...why would that be?