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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:51 am

When the 5G chip starts corroding you have to get a booster shot. :prof:
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by rainbow » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:55 am

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...oh, and that podcast had another interesting bit. The calculation of the last guy to get vaccinated.

Presuming a vaccine that has a known risk of harm, however small it might be, the last person (of all of us) on earth who considers taking the vaccine, would sensibly decide not to.

Likewise the second-last person (of all of us) to consider the risk/reward of the risky vaccine.

How much further along do you go before it gets uncomfortable for those implementing public policy?
The problem is easily solved by not letting anyone into public unmasked, unless they have the vaccine.
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by NineBerry » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:25 am

Additionally we don't know yet how good the vaccine is at stopping people from spreading the virus. So far we only know that it can reduce symptoms.

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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Cunt » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:27 pm

NineBerry wrote:
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There's no last person. There's always new persons being added to the pool. 1 from reaching the age where the vaccine becomes available. 2 because immunity in an individual person will not persist forever, so you will have to get refreshments every now and then.
I expected you would miss his point. Not only did I explain it poorly, you have a resistance to understanding, or even listening to such a person. Maybe someone with permission to listen to IDW characters can help you understand it. I don't believe you would want to, so I'll let you continue to misunderstand.

It's funny to me, how hard you have to work at it to misunderstand.

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Post by Tero » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:39 pm

Presuming a vaccine that has a known risk of harm, however small it might be, the last person (of all of us) on earth who considers taking the vaccine, would sensibly decide not to.
The last person not vaccinated would be living off grid anyway, in a bunker with ammo and baked beans.

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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Cunt » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:31 pm

Anti-masker got what was coming to her?

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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by NineBerry » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:34 pm

Liar, liar, lips on fire.

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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Tero » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:17 pm

Covid Santa. "Come sit on Santa's lap."
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Post by Seabass » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:50 pm

The Genocidal Old Party.

‘We want them infected’: Trump appointee demanded ‘herd immunity’ strategy, emails reveal

A top Trump appointee repeatedly urged top health officials to adopt a "herd immunity" approach to Covid-19 and allow millions of Americans to be infected by the virus, according to internal emails obtained by a House watchdog and shared with POLITICO.

“There is no other way, we need to establish herd, and it only comes about allowing the non-high risk groups expose themselves to the virus. PERIOD," then-science adviser Paul Alexander wrote on July 4 to his boss, Health and Human Services assistant secretary for public affairs Michael Caputo, and six other senior officials.

"Infants, kids, teens, young people, young adults, middle aged with no conditions etc. have zero to little risk….so we use them to develop herd…we want them infected…" Alexander added.

"t may be that it will be best if we open up and flood the zone and let the kids and young folk get infected" in order to get "natural immunity…natural exposure," Alexander wrote on July 24 to Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn, Caputo and eight other senior officials. Caputo subsequently asked Alexander to research the idea, according to emails obtained by the House Oversight Committee's select subcommittee on coronavirus.

Alexander also argued that colleges should stay open to allow Covid-19 infections to spread, lamenting in a July 27 email to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield that “we essentially took off the battlefield the most potent weapon we had...younger healthy people, children, teens, young people who we needed to fastly [sic] infect themselves, spread it around, develop immunity, and help stop the spread.”

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:03 am

GOP science adviser. There's an oxymoron.
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:22 am

There have been rumblings and outright statements of that murderous plan. They couldn't manage to get it anywhere, because fortunately the entire country isn't drooling cretins.

Strong-arming the CDC:

'"Like a Hand Grasping": Trump Appointees Describe the Crushing of the C.D.C.'
Kyle McGowan, a former chief of staff at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and his deputy, Amanda Campbell, were installed in 2018 as two of the youngest political appointees in the history of the world’s premier public health agency, young Republicans returning to their native Georgia to dream jobs.

But what they witnessed during the coronavirus pandemic this year in the C.D.C.’s leadership suite on the 12-floor headquarters here shook them: Washington’s dismissal of science, the White House’s slow suffocation of the agency’s voice, the meddling in its messages and the siphoning of its budget.

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Mr. McGowan and Ms. Campbell, both 34, say they tried to protect their colleagues against political meddling from the White House and Department of Health and Human Services. But an agency created to protect the nation against a public health catastrophe like the coronavirus was largely stifled by the Trump administration.

The White House insisted on reviewing — and often softening — the C.D.C.’s closely guarded coronavirus guidance documents, the most prominent public expression of its latest research and scientific consensus on the spread of the virus. The documents were vetted not only by the White House’s coronavirus task force but by what felt to the agency’s employees like an endless loop of political appointees across Washington.

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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by rainbow » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:25 am

Even with a vaccine the death toll will be over half a million in the US by April next year.
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Seabass » Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:48 pm

“Those of Us Who Don’t Die Are Going to Quit”: A Crush of Patients, Dwindling Supplies and the Nurse Who Lost Hope

Almost a year into the pandemic, supply shortages remain so severe that nurse Kristen Cline reuses her N95 for several shifts while her hospital buckles, patients suffer and folks nearby socialize maskless as if the pandemic were already over.


Nurse Kristen Cline was working a 12-hour shift in October at the Royal C. Johnson Veterans Memorial Hospital in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, when a code blue rang through the halls. A patient in an isolation room was dying of a coronavirus that had raged for eight months across the country before it made the state the brightest red dot in a nation of hot spots.

Cline knew she needed to protect herself before entering the room, where a second COVID-19 patient was trembling under the covers, sobbing. She reached for the crinkled and dirty N95 mask she had reused for days.

In her post-death report, Cline described how the patient fell victim to a hospital in chaos. The crash cart and breathing bag that should have been in the room were missing. The patient wasn’t tethered to monitors that could have alerted nurses sooner. He had cried out for help, but the duty nurse was busy with other patients, packed two to a room meant for one.

“He died scared and alone. It didn’t have to be that way. We failed him — not the staff, we did everything we could,” she said. “The system failed him.”

The system also failed her. Since the pandemic’s early weeks, Cline had complained that the Department of Veterans Affairs, which runs the nation’s largest hospital system, wasn’t doing enough to protect its front-line health care workers. She had filed complaints about inadequate personal protective equipment with the agency’s inspector general and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, but they had done nothing. Many months into a pandemic, they were still having to ration masks and being asked to reuse them for as many as five shifts.

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