The Trump Pandemic

[Brian Peacock]

Never - because its a systemic failure not the failure of a single individual.

[L'Emmerdeur]

At what point can Trump be held criminally liable?

Theoretically he can be held criminally liable after Biden is sworn in. Not likely to happen on the federal level, and Biden is just the sort of politician who would try to avoid anything along those lines in the interest of 'bringing the country together.' It will probably depend on state attorneys general to bring him to account, which could get interesting.

[L'Emmerdeur]

Never - because its a systemic failure not the failure of a single individual.

Your point is valid, but Trump's actions/failures to act and declarations in regard to the US response to the pandemic could legitimately be described as criminally negligent at minimum. He has definitely been responsible in a significant way for producing what you describe as systemic failure in that he was in charge of directing how the system responded.

[Brian Peacock]

Never - because its a systemic failure not the failure of a single individual.

Your point is valid, but Trump's actions/failures to act and declarations in regard to the US response to the pandemic could legitimately be described as criminally negligent at minimum. He has definitely been responsible in a significant way for producing what you describe as systemic failure in that he was in charge of directing how the system responded.

I don't disagree. In fact, I agree entirely. Trump is morally culpable for the abject failure of the state's response to this public health emergency. I just think the chances of him being held to account for those failings are functionally nonexistent because the delegation of powers and responsibilities is spread widely across multiple tiers of govt and, as we should know by now, nothing he has ever done in office was ever his fault when it went badly.

[JimC]

A fish rots from the head down...

[pErvinalia]

Fish stand upright?

[pErvinalia]

[NineBerry]

Except it's playing in East Asian countries where the general population seems to be smarter in general in this regard. I'm going to watch my fourth South Korean zombie movie for this year over the weekend (Peninsula)

[Tero]

County cases, 250-300 a day for several weeks, dropped to 180 per day average for 7 days.

[Cunt]

Sure, the evolution of the virus towards lower lethality is possible. However, this virus is so infectious in the early stages, often before symptoms develop, that there would not be a big selective disadvantage to not killing one's host, since Covid-19 deaths occur after quite some time. It's viruses that kill quickly where the selective pressures for decreased lethality are most pronounced.

It sounded to me like counting this by deaths is very short-sighted. A large part of the damage (known damage so far) wouldn't show in those stats.

The media of course, loves to play games with numbers though.

A pal of mine thinks he had it back in January. He hasn't been tested, but was flattened (while travelling in a remote community) for weeks. He's not back up to full cardio capacity yet either, but suspects there is some yet to heal.

I don't mind waiting for him. He's handsome a f

[Tero]

The covid virus is much more stable than flu virus. It is likely to float around this variant for years. The genetic code does change and has been measured, but not in any significant parts.

there are at least 5 million bases. RNA is not a dimer.
There were 5,246,584 paired-end sequences in the raw data.
https://mra.asm.org/content/9/11/e00169-20

[Joe]

Sure, the evolution of the virus towards lower lethality is possible. However, this virus is so infectious in the early stages, often before symptoms develop, that there would not be a big selective disadvantage to not killing one's host, since Covid-19 deaths occur after quite some time. It's viruses that kill quickly where the selective pressures for decreased lethality are most pronounced.

It sounded to me like counting this by deaths is very short-sighted. A large part of the damage (known damage so far) wouldn't show in those stats.

The media of course, loves to play games with numbers though.

A pal of mine thinks he had it back in January. He hasn't been tested, but was flattened (while travelling in a remote community) for weeks. He's not back up to full cardio capacity yet either, but suspects there is some yet to heal.

I don't mind waiting for him. He's handsome a f

That's the worrisome thing about this bug. We don't understand its long term effects well enough yet. Three people from my brother's cycling club have had it and all of them report being set back in endurance and performance.

[Cunt]

The covid virus is much more stable than flu virus. It is likely to float around this variant for years. The genetic code does change and has been measured, but not in any significant parts.

there are at least 5 million bases. RNA is not a dimer.
There were 5,246,584 paired-end sequences in the raw data.
https://mra.asm.org/content/9/11/e00169-20

Look you can explain it to me, but you can't make me make sense of it.

Sorry, Tero. I missed this one. Two or three times.

That's the worrisome thing about this bug. We don't understand its long term effects well enough yet. Three people from my brother's cycling club have had it and all of them report being set back in endurance and performance.

I expect the cardio app I use (Garmin and others) will have a tremendous amount of data on performance specs of athletes around the world. Might make an objective way to examine harm, now that I think of it. Average kilometers run per capita or some kind of measure that could be tracked over time over populations. Heck, the thing has fine-grained data of many KNOWN cases.

Youtube can, in real-time, bump your livestream off the air for saying uncool things. That kind of ability, applied across metadata of athletics x nutrition x ?

Almost makes me wish I liked math more.

[Cunt]

...oh, and that podcast had another interesting bit. The calculation of the last guy to get vaccinated.

Presuming a vaccine that has a known risk of harm, however small it might be, the last person (of all of us) on earth who considers taking the vaccine, would sensibly decide not to.

Likewise the second-last person (of all of us) to consider the risk/reward of the risky vaccine.

How much further along do you go before it gets uncomfortable for those implementing public policy?

[NineBerry]

There's no last person. There's always new persons being added to the pool. 1 from reaching the age where the vaccine becomes available. 2 because immunity in an individual person will not persist forever, so you will have to get refreshments every now and then.