The Coronavirus Thread

[Brian Peacock]

How many cases like this occur with first time infection? That is never recorded.

I don't know. How many?

My whole point. But never mind.

But if you can't say anything one way other the other then your point, whatever it was, is meaningless.

[Scot Dutchy]

How many cases like this occur with first time infection? That is never recorded.

I don't know. How many?

My whole point. But never mind.

But if you can't say anything one way other the other then your point, whatever it was, is meaningless.

That's the point Brian. All data is meaningless. Has it finally sunk through?

[Brian Peacock]

How many cases like this occur with first time infection? That is never recorded.

I don't know. How many?

My whole point. But never mind.

But if you can't say anything one way other the other then your point, whatever it was, is meaningless.

That's the point Brian. All data is meaningless. Has it finally sunk through?

Then any point you make about data is meaningless - even the point that it's all meaningless. If you can't falsify or support your claims then I'm free to ignore them. Has that finally sunk through too pal?

[Scot Dutchy]

Yep nothing changes either financially or healthily. The UK is really the sickman of Europe.

Alarming new data shows the UK was the 'sick man' of Europe even before Covid

A global study has exposed how poorly prepared Britain was for a virus that targets our most vulnerable people

Our health is determined by far more than a single virus. This week, a team of scientists in Seattle, together with thousands of contributors around the world, assembled 3.5bn pieces of data to construct what they are calling the Global Burden of Disease. The story this data tells us about Britain is alarming. On some of the most important measures of health, the four nations of the United Kingdom perform worse than our nearest neighbours. Even with coronavirus out of the picture, Britain is the sick man, woman and child of Europe.

The headline findings from the report are clear. In 2019, life expectancy at birth in the UK was 82.9 years for a woman and 79.2 years for a man (the average for both was 81.1 years). These numbers look good, especially when compared with historical figures. In 1950, for example, the average life expectancy at birth for a UK citizen was 68.9 years. The combined effects of economic growth, better education and an improved NHS have delivered an extra 12 years of life. Impressive.

That is until you start comparing the UK with other European countries. When you do this, you find we have seen smaller increases in life expectancy than the western European average. Spain and Italy, for example, both had an average life expectancy at birth of 83.1 years in 2019. In France, it was 82.9 years, Sweden 82.8 years and Germany 81.2. The western European average life expectancy was a whole one year longer than in the UK.

Another important measure is what’s known as healthy life expectancy – the years of life we spend in good health. The average healthy life expectancy for the UK in 2019 was 68.9 years, meaning that people in the UK spend an average 12.2 years living with some kind of illness. And again, when one compares the UK with other European nations, we perform poorly.

In fact, Britain has the worst healthy life expectancy of any other European country. We come bottom of the league table, alongside Monaco. We’ve seen a slower improvement in healthy life expectancy (3.6 years) than the western European average (5.8 years). And the situation for children is equally bad: the under-five mortality rate in the UK in 2019 was 4.1 deaths per 1,000 live births – one of the worst performances in western Europe, second only to Malta. Whatever metric one chooses, the UK’s health performs worse than comparable European nations.

Of course Johnson will prove it is not when he manages to get out of his next mistresses bed. What a dump.

[Scot Dutchy]

I don't know. How many?

My whole point. But never mind.

But if you can't say anything one way other the other then your point, whatever it was, is meaningless.

That's the point Brian. All data is meaningless. Has it finally sunk through?

Then any point you make about data is meaningless - even the point that it's all meaningless. If you can't falsify or support your claims then I'm free to ignore them. Has that finally sunk through too pal?

Hey Jimmy dont pal me! Look Brian it is obvious all data is created. We have to accept it is genuine when it has been admittedly not. JFCOAPS time and time again holes have appeared but yet we soldier on still quoting this crap. Why?

[Brian Peacock]

You tell me - you're the expert.

[Tero]

They should just wear masks all the time. UK. You never know about viruses.

[JimC]

If all data is meaningless, then we all might as well be hedonistic nihilists...

[laklak]

Cancer ridden 89 year old on chemotherapy catches Covid second time and dies.

[Brian Peacock]

It's a single data point.

[pErvinalia]

There's hope yet that Trump might get it again and die this time.

[Scot Dutchy]

It's a single data point.

But how many fall into that category or similar? That we dont know but they all fall into Covid 19 deaths. Take myself I have lung fibrosis. Only 40% are actually functioning. If I was reinfected and died it would be recorded as a Covid 19 death when in fact it is a fibrosis death as I only have four years left. This is a very grey area but we have no idea how big it is.

[rainbow]

Yep nothing changes either financially or healthily. The UK is really the sickman of Europe.

...according to data that you reject.

[Scot Dutchy]

Yep nothing changes either financially or healthily. The UK is really the sickman of Europe.

...according to data that you reject.

And data you accept.

[rainbow]

Yep nothing changes either financially or healthily. The UK is really the sickman of Europe.

...according to data that you reject.

And data you accept.

I only accept data that show how miserable the Dutch people are.

How many cases today?