The Coronavirus Thread

[rainbow]

And they all get devoured by the caterpillars of the fucking Cabbage White Butterfly!

bah, here, it's some kind of aphid that's eating through the sugar beet crops, and the growers have successfully lobbied to have the interdiction of neonicotinoid pesticides repealed, presumably temporarily) ... the green people and all bee lovers are raving mad.

Novichok is also quite effective.

Several chemical structures purported to be lower potency Novichok agents have been published in the scientific literature with the intention of masking the Novichok program as a pesticide research program

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6039123/

[Svartalf]

LOL, if that's true, putin should have had Navalny sprayed with DDT... much less traceable.

[Scot Dutchy]

Scotland's pubs banned from serving alcohol inside for 16 days

Licensed premises across central belt to close completely as coronavirus cases rise

Nicola Sturgeon has announced a nationwide ban on drinking indoors in licensed premises in Scotland for more than two weeks, with a full shutdown of all premises across the central belt where infection rates are accelerating most rapidly.

Announcing the targeted measures to the Scottish parliament as she confirmed a further 1,054 people had tested positive for Covid-19 in the past 24 hours, Sturgeon said they were intended to be a “short, sharp action to arrest a worrying increase in infection” and which she hoped would help to keep schools and businesses open over the winter.

For 16 days, from Friday at 6pm, all pubs, bars, restaurants and cafes must operate on a daytime-only basis, from 6am to 6pm, and for the service of food and non-alcoholic drinks only. They can continue to serve alcohol outdoors up to the current curfew of 10pm.

In five health board areas which are causing greatest concern: Greater Glasgow and Clyde, Lanarkshire, the Lothians, Ayrshire and Arran, and Forth Valley, all licensed premises, with the exception of hotels for residents, must close both indoors and outdoors, although takeaways will be permitted. Cafes which do not have an alcohol licence will be able to stay open until 6pm.

Thick West Pilton accent:
"For christ sake Shug where are we gonna get a drank ".
"Dont worry Wee Wullie I know a guy who knows a guy that knows the secret tap for licensed premises. We will not go short I assure you".

[Brian Peacock]

They were popping trays of Tenants in their trollies at the supermarket this evening. Meant I could buy bog roll though.

[NineBerry]

The Dutch Ministry of Health has again asked the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia to make ICU beds available for Dutch corona patients. The ministry emphasizes that there are no transfers yet.

During the peak of infections earlier this year, the Dutch intensive care units were full. Germany has many more ICU beds than the Netherlands and then took over several dozen patients. The Germans have indicated that they are again willing to do so and are making an inventory of how many beds can be made available, according to the ministry.

https://www.nd.nl/nieuws/varia/996045/n ... -ic-bedden

[Scot Dutchy]

The Dutch Ministry of Health has again asked the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia to make ICU beds available for Dutch corona patients. The ministry emphasizes that there are no transfers yet.

During the peak of infections earlier this year, the Dutch intensive care units were full. Germany has many more ICU beds than the Netherlands and then took over several dozen patients. The Germans have indicated that they are again willing to do so and are making an inventory of how many beds can be made available, according to the ministry.

https://www.nd.nl/nieuws/varia/996045/n ... -ic-bedden

Keep believing it from a right wing rag. We are no where those levels.

[laklak]

Fuck it. Just open it all up.

[Scot Dutchy]

Trustworthy data;

Covid: more than 80% of positive UK cases in study had no core symptoms

ONS survey said 86.1% of people between April and June had none of the main symptoms of coronavirus

More than 80% of people who tested positive in a national coronavirus survey had none of the core symptoms of the disease the day they took the test, scientists say.

[rainbow]

Trustworthy data;

Dutch exponential growth is the best exponential growth.

[pErvinalia]

Trustworthy data;

Covid: more than 80% of positive UK cases in study had no core symptoms

ONS survey said 86.1% of people between April and June had none of the main symptoms of coronavirus

More than 80% of people who tested positive in a national coronavirus survey had none of the core symptoms of the disease the day they took the test, scientists say.

This is something well known. All people are infectious up to 3 days before onset of symptoms.

[NineBerry]

"the day they took the test"

[Brian Peacock]

Trustworthy data;

Covid: more than 80% of positive UK cases in study had no core symptoms

ONS survey said 86.1% of people between April and June had none of the main symptoms of coronavirus

More than 80% of people who tested positive in a national coronavirus survey had none of the core symptoms of the disease the day they took the test, scientists say.

They're called asymptomatic and presymptomatic infections. Hardly controversial, though it does have implications for the levels of infection within the population and the possible knock-on for symptomatic, severe, and fatal infection rates.

[pErvinalia]

"the day they took the test"

Dutch comprehension is the best comprehension.

[Sean Hayden]

https://gbdeclaration.org/

As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

200,000 dead Americans and they think we'll manage a "focused protection" scheme. wtf

Take their concern about worsening cardiovascular health due to lockdowns. In the US, health coverage is so bad that a lot of people with heart issues don't know they have them. That's true regardless of covid. Now, how do you propose to focus your protection so as to help them better than supporting lock downs that would include them?

How about their claim that keeping kids out of school is a grave injustice? What are they smoking? It always bothers me when people like this talk about the disproportionate harm done to the disadvantaged, and then say shit like that. Like hello, a year out of school --which no one has done yet-- for many would hardly be noticed; certainly not in terms of academic advancement.

And let's not kid ourselves, their children will advance regardless.

But ignore that, a grave injustice? These are brilliant people with such horrible imaginations! They can't imagine how missing school might not have to be awful?

[Brian Peacock]

Coronavirus: why stricter measures for students and blaming them for infection spikes is wrong

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Plastered in mock desperation to the windows of university halls, cheeky signs requesting alcohol and other student necessities were briefly entertaining. But for those involved, the novelty – if there ever was one – will surely have worn off. Even as new tougher restrictions on socialising are introduced across Scotland and the rest of the UK, students are experiencing uniquely strict conditions when it comes to COVID-19.

On September 24, Universities Scotland announced new rules for students living in student accommodation. Endorsed by the Scottish government, these latest restrictions were significant and included a ban on students socialising with anyone outside their household.

The announcement came with warnings of disciplinary action against rule violations, including a “yellow card/red card” system that could see students lose their place at university, as well as the intensified presence of staff and police on campus to monitor students’ compliance.

In response to signs of an exodus of panicked students from student accommodation, the Scottish government quickly updated the regulations to clarify that students can return home for “reasonable reasons”, including mental well-being and financial or family emergencies. But government ministers and university officials have also refused to rule out keeping students locked down over Christmas. These strict new measures have been justified as essential to breaking spikes in COVID-19 infection rates in student accommodation across Scotland since mid-September.
Blaming young people and students

Rates of COVID-19 have been rising in recent weeks across the UK and young people have been perceived to be at fault. While analysis has shown that infection rates for people under the age of 35 have increased over time, the suggestion is that this increase is down to young people disregarding social distancing regulations.

Missing from this commentary is the acknowledgement that young people have been found to have a high rate of compliance with regulations. They are also at a particularly high risk of contracting COVID-19 due to things like their over-representation in jobs dealing with customers face to face, and being more likely to reside in shared living spaces and rely on public transport than older adults.

So the suggestion that spikes are entirely due to reckless rule breaking and that young people are the root cause of a second wave of COVID-19 is problematic and unhelpful, particularly when used to justify the implementation of unique measures for students who are effectively living in isolation across Scotland right now. ...

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus ... ong-147713

My emphasis.

There was a young woman on the radio this morning talking about how her student halls went into lockdown at 8:30pm without any warning. All they had was an email telling them that from now on movement in and out of the building would be strictly monitored. Some of them tried to make a last dash to the supermarket only to be turned back by contracted security guards already in place. At the moment supermarket delivery slots have a lead time of two weeks in her area, she's down to one bag of pasta between the six people sharing her flatlet, the uni food hall is closed and the food preparation facilities for all the flatlets in her block consist of a tiny fridge, a kettle and a microwave. The laundry facility in an adjacent block has also been deemed out-of-bounds. This is her first time living away from home, and now she's tested positive and is self-isolating in her room while having to negotiate with her flatmates when she needs to go the the bathroom. Similar tales are being repeated countless times across universities throughout the North of England and Scotland.