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Post by Sean Hayden » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:25 am

Yes. The divide between our purported ideals and reality is a recurrent theme. Only this time it seems we are comically at odds with our ideals. It is a shit circus, a bad trip.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:33 am

Sean Hayden wrote:What do you mean?
I just mean that we seem to have arrived at a cultural moment where racism has become one of the main prisms through which we view society - at least in terms of our broad public discourse.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:44 am

Thank you. I thought you meant something like that. I think there's probably some overreach happening when racism features as an explanation for so much.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:33 am

Sean Hayden wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:44 am
Thank you. I thought you meant something like that. I think there's probably some overreach happening when racism features as an explanation for so much.
Perhaps - but it seems so relevant at the moment doesn't it(?) George Floyd and BLM has led us, to some extent, to questions like: Who are we? Are we a racist society; are we a sexist society; are we an ableist society etc? Focusing on these questions might mean we fall to defining ourselves by our collective failures or, like TV talking head Dr David Starkey did recently in the UK, by championing those exact same things as examples of what has and continues to make us a great society. I'm not saying racism, sexism, or ableism aren't real, or real problems but, being a bit of a lefty an'all, I see these things as expressions of a broader system - one which categorises people by simple normative types (White, Male, Able-bodied, etc) and rejects those (in part or in whole) whose views and/or experience fall outside of those perceived norms. Racism et al seem to have become subjects through which we are being made aware of the unbalanced nature of power in our social relations and by which we can articulate and discuss where 'normal' actually is, isn't, and/or should be.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:44 am

JimC wrote:
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I dont think white Australians are the right people to throw stones. Their treatment of the indigenous people would not win many gold stars. Never saw so much racism as in Queensland when I was there. Townships like Cook Town it was blatant.
Certainly some truth in that. But all it means is that, when we throw stones at American racists, we should also throw some at out home-grown ones as well...
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Post by JimC » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:52 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:44 am
JimC wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:13 am
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:55 am
I dont think white Australians are the right people to throw stones. Their treatment of the indigenous people would not win many gold stars. Never saw so much racism as in Queensland when I was there. Townships like Cook Town it was blatant.
Certainly some truth in that. But all it means is that, when we throw stones at American racists, we should also throw some at out home-grown ones as well...
Which we do.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:09 pm

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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:29 pm

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