L'Emmerdeur wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:41 am
NineBerry wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:00 pm
The red triangle is used by some Antifa groups in Europe the same way the pink triangle is used by some gay rights groups. Since it is a representation of the group being persecuted under national socialism, using it in the context of trying to say you are against the group is extremely weird and bad-tasted. Either you don't know what the symbol represents or deliberately condone the persecution under nazism.
I've seen it on occasion. What I'm questioning is the 'wide-spread' phraseology. When the ad/tweet first came out (purely coincidental that the organization bought 88 slots for the ad) doing image searches for 'antifa symbol' or similar phraseology brought up the the three arrows and the red and black dual flag image. I know because I did that myself.
The 'justification' image the campaign then posted could be found in images searches; the result was the twitter image from the campaign and one other twitter account. No other instances found using multiple image search engines.
I've never seen a red triangle banner, and would be interested in seeing an example of such. People wearing it on their clothing isn't really the same thing as using it as a banner, and signifies differently. It hasn't been that common in the US, as far as I'm aware.
It's different from country to country.
In Germany, for example. Antifa mostly uses the "Antifastische Aktion" symbol with the red and black flag in a circle and variations thereof. The red and black flags represent communism, social democracy, anarcho-syndicalism and/or anarchism, depending on whom you ask.
The raised fist is very rare. Over here, it is mostly associated with revolutionary ideas in general than specifically with the fight against fascism. You see it often in the context of revolutionary feminism or animal rights movements, but not so much Antifa.
German Antifa would never use the three arrows symbol because one of the arrows represents opposition to communism. (The other two arrows represent opposition to monarchism and fascism). It's a rather centrist symbol that originates from social democracy while Germany Antifa mostly builds on communist and anarcho-syndicalist ideologies. If it is this wide-spread in the US, this is funny because I suppose the people there are not aware that one of the three arrows represents opposition to the far-left.
The red triangle is for example used a lot in countries like the Netherlands (We all know that Dutch Antifa is the best Antifa), Belgium and France. It is however more and more replaced by the flag symbol used in Germany.
Some examples:
French Wikipedia
Le triangle rouge aujourd'hui
Depuis la fin de la guerre, le triangle rouge est devenu le symbole de la résistance aux idées d'extrême droite, notamment en Belgique. Il est aussi le logo du réseau Ras l'front. Une épinglette représentant le triangle de tissu nazi est produite par l'ASBL « Les Territoires de la Mémoire ».
The red triangle today
Since the end of the war, the red triangle has become the symbol of resistance to far-right ideas, especially in Belgium. It is also the logo of the Ras l'front network (French organisation opposed the far-right Front National in France). A pin representing the triangle of Nazi fabric is produced by the non-profit organization "Les Territoires de la Mémoire".
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_rouge
Belgian Antifa page
https://rodedriehoek.be/
Antifa Utrecht
https://www.facebook.com/antifautrecht/
Poster at a dutch motorway using the red triangle, the three arrows and the flags logo. They too don't seem to be aware what the three arrows mean^^
