All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

[Tero]

[Animavore]

[Cunt]

If only you were brave enough to risk this kind of criticism of actual fascists.

There are a few in the world. Here's a hint - if you can call the fascist a fascist without fear of retribution, you are probably getting something wrong...

[Hermit]

...if you can call the fascist a fascist without fear of retribution, you are probably getting something wrong...

More likely the fascist is out of earshot.

[Cunt]

...if you can call the fascist a fascist without fear of retribution, you are probably getting something wrong...

More likely the fascist is out of earshot.

Yes, those calling Trump 'fascist' are only safe because he doesn't know they did it.

So smart, Hermit.

Who is Schmitt?
https://twitter.com/Eric_Schmitt/status ... 5953176576

In a stunning development, our office has learned that every single one of the St. Louis looters and rioters arrested were released back onto the streets by local prosecutor Kim Gardner.

Looks like he is complaining about treatment of criminals in St Lois...

Imagine the nutters who will find this random twitterer and spread stories about criminals being turned loose on a vulnerable public.

[Hermit]

...if you can call the fascist a fascist without fear of retribution, you are probably getting something wrong...

More likely the fascist is out of earshot.

Yes, those calling Trump 'fascist' are only safe because he doesn't know they did it.

Glad you got the point. Another thing to consider is that there probably is not much of a correlation between experiencing retribution and being wrong in cases where you call someone a fascist to his face. After all, how likely is it that the person you call a fascist really is a fascist and he'll congratulate you for getting it right? Conversely, if you get it wrong, the person thus labelled might just laugh in your face.

[Tero]

Loser

[Cunt]

...if you can call the fascist a fascist without fear of retribution, you are probably getting something wrong...

More likely the fascist is out of earshot.

Yes, those calling Trump 'fascist' are only safe because he doesn't know they did it.

Glad you got the point. Another thing to consider is that there probably is not much of a correlation between experiencing retribution and being wrong in cases where you call someone a fascist to his face. After all, how likely is it that the person you call a fascist really is a fascist and he'll congratulate you for getting it right? Conversely, if you get it wrong, the person thus labelled might just laugh in your face.

Ya, I agree that it is a pretty meaningless bit of namecalling. Like calling Trump a racist, or calling Joe Biden addle-pated.

The proof is in their actions. Like if someone releases rioters back on the impoverished communities they were ruining. That might look like a political ruling class making racist decisions.

Who was that schmitt guy, anyway...?

In a stunning development, our office has learned that every single one of the St. Louis looters and rioters arrested were released back onto the streets by local prosecutor Kim Gardner.

He made that awful accussation about Kim Gardner. He must be a crank of some kind, right?

[Tero]

[Hermit]

...if you can call the fascist a fascist without fear of retribution, you are probably getting something wrong...

More likely the fascist is out of earshot.

Yes, those calling Trump 'fascist' are only safe because he doesn't know they did it.

Glad you got the point. Another thing to consider is that there probably is not much of a correlation between experiencing retribution and being wrong in cases where you call someone a fascist to his face. After all, how likely is it that the person you call a fascist really is a fascist and he'll congratulate you for getting it right? Conversely, if you get it wrong, the person thus labelled might just laugh in your face.

Ya, I agree that it is a pretty meaningless bit of namecalling. Like calling Trump a racist...

I should have mentioned that I have never called Trump a fascist. There are just some disturbing parallels between him and people who were fascists.

As for racism, last week I have cited two instances of Trump being a racist.

[JimC]

I've asked before and I'll ask again. Why are fascists tolerated on this forum? Why are people still speaking to fascists and entertaining fascist ideas? Why haven't the likes of Cunt and Tyrannical and anyone else who scoffs and gloats as the Trump administration incite violence and attack their own people been put on everyone's ignore list? Why legitimise their views by giving them a platform?

Tyrannical is perhaps a separate case, and in the past clear racist comments from him have resulted in suspensions, and would do again in future.

I don't think you can categorise Cunt as a fascist, and in any case, it is perhaps not advisable to have no contrarian views expressed on the forum. He is definitely an annoying troll, and in the past, when this has stepped over the line into malicious trolling, he was suspended, which of course remains a future possibility. But if so, it will not be for expressing political views at odds with the majority of members.

[Seabass]

I've asked before and I'll ask again. Why are fascists tolerated on this forum? Why are people still speaking to fascists and entertaining fascist ideas? Why haven't the likes of Cunt and Tyrannical and anyone else who scoffs and gloats as the Trump administration incite violence and attack their own people been put on everyone's ignore list? Why legitimise their views by giving them a platform?

I think your definition of fascism might need work.

If you find yourself always siding with fascists like Trump, Tommy Robinson, Gavin McInnes, etc., you should probably at least consider the possibility that you might be a fascist, or at least a fascist sympathizer. Ironic, given that the guy in your avatar was a huge lefty who made a career of mocking conservatives, religious nuts, bigots, and the rich and powerful.

Tyrannical is definitely a fascist.

[Seabass]

Oh-no! Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen has Trump Derangement Syndrome!


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... es/612553/

I Cannot Remain Silent
Our fellow citizens are not the enemy, and must never become so.


It sickened me yesterday to see security personnel—including members of the National Guard—forcibly and violently clear a path through Lafayette Square to accommodate the president's visit outside St. John's Church. I have to date been reticent to speak out on issues surrounding President Trump's leadership, but we are at an inflection point, and the events of the past few weeks have made it impossible to remain silent.

Whatever Trump's goal in conducting his visit, he laid bare his disdain for the rights of peaceful protest in this country, gave succor to the leaders of other countries who take comfort in our domestic strife, and risked further politicizing the men and women of our armed forces.

There was little good in the stunt.

While no one should ever condone the violence, vandalism, and looting that has exploded across our city streets, neither should anyone lose sight of the larger and deeper concerns about institutional racism that have ignited this rage.

As a white man, I cannot claim perfect understanding of the fear and anger that African Americans feel today. But as someone who has been around for a while, I know enough—and I’ve seen enough—to understand that those feelings are real and that they are all too painfully founded.

We must, as citizens, address head-on the issue of police brutality and sustained injustices against the African American community. We must, as citizens, support and defend the right—indeed, the solemn obligation—to peacefully assemble and to be heard. These are not mutually exclusive pursuits.

And neither of these pursuits will be made easier or safer by an overly aggressive use of our military, active duty or National Guard. The United States has a long and, to be fair, sometimes troubled history of using the armed forces to enforce domestic laws. The issue for us today is not whether this authority exists, but whether it will be wisely administered.

I remain confident in the professionalism of our men and women in uniform. They will serve with skill and with compassion. They will obey lawful orders. But I am less confident in the soundness of the orders they will be given by this commander in chief, and I am not convinced that the conditions on our streets, as bad as they are, have risen to the level that justifies a heavy reliance on military troops. Certainly, we have not crossed the threshold that would make it appropriate to invoke the provisions of the Insurrection Act.

Furthermore, I am deeply worried that as they execute their orders, the members of our military will be co-opted for political purposes.

Even in the midst of the carnage we are witnessing, we must endeavor to see American cities and towns as our homes and our neighborhoods. They are not “battle spaces” to be dominated, and must never become so.

We must ensure that African Americans—indeed, all Americans—are given the same rights under the Constitution, the same justice under the law, and the same consideration we give to members of our own family. Our fellow citizens are not the enemy, and must never become so.

Too many foreign and domestic policy choices have become militarized; too many military missions have become politicized.

This is not the time for stunts. This is the time for leadership.

[Brian Peacock]

In the current climate the wise investor could do a lot worse than put their money into a business that produces shirts in only one colour - brown.

[JimC]

Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen cannot be dismissed as a crazed radical. His words were measured, sensible and carefully chosen.