Trump and ethnic cleansing

[Seabass]

Do Trump administration policies over the last three years rise to a level of what could fairly be considered ethnic cleansing?

Short (and by no means comprehensive) recap:

Trump administration family separation policy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_adm ... ion_policy

Trump administration seeks to deport children with life-threatening illnesses
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/new ... n-n1047901

Trump Administration to Deport Sick Children, People with Disabilities
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/08/30/tru ... sabilities

The Trump Administration Now Wants to Deport Children With Cancer
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... re-878160/

Immigrant children with life-threatening illnesses facing possible deportation
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigrant- ... 019-08-29/

Army discharged more than 500 immigrant recruits in one year
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4111 ... n-one-year

Deported veterans fought for this country. It’s time to fight for them, too
https://www.militarytimes.com/opinion/c ... -them-too/

Trump Wants To Withdraw Deportation Protections For Families Of Active Troops
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/73636298 ... ive-troops

The Trump administration has ended protections for immigrants from 4 countries — here’s when they will have to leave the US
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-h ... ies-2018-1

Thousands of legal immigrants face daunting decision after their ‘Temporary Protected Status’ ends
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 272334002/

Timeline of the Muslim Ban | ACLU of Washington
https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban

The evolution of Trump's Muslim ban
https://www.axios.com/trump-muslim-trav ... 7773a.html

U.S. Citizen Detained For Weeks, Nearly Deported By Immigration Officials
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/25/74541726 ... -officials

ICE Tried To Deport This U.S. Citizen And Marine Veteran
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/17/68618833 ... ne-veteran

ICE used a fake university to weed out student visa fraud. But the students say they were duped.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ment-sting

ICE Strong Arms Immigrants into Signing Deportation Documents
https://www.aclunc.org/blog/ice-strong- ... -documents

ICE arrested undocumented immigrants who came forward to take in undocumented children
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/20/politics ... index.html

Trump administration using confidential therapists' notes against migrant children
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/02/1 ... tapper.cnn

The government required him to see a therapist. He thought his words would be confidential. Now, the traumatized migrant may be deported.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... ports-ice/

[Seabass]

A federal court just blocked Trump’s attempt to quietly cut legal immigration by up to 65%
https://www.vox.com/2019/10/9/20903541/ ... -insurance

President Trump Has Blocked New Legal Immigrants. Here’s Where Else He’s Clamped Down on Immigration During the Coronavirus Outbreak
https://time.com/5825141/president-trum ... ronavirus/

Trump has nearly destroyed US refugee program, experts say
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... um-program

Supreme Court allows Trump to enforce 'public charge' immigration rule
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/2 ... ule-106520

Trump’s rule creating a wealth test for immigrants is now in effect
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... e-benefits



Some of these have been stopped or delayed in the courts, or reversed after massive backlash and heavy media coverage. In my opinion, at best, Trump is an attempted ethnic cleanser.

[Seabass]

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial and/or religious groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group, often with the intent of making it ethnically homogeneous.[1][page needed] The forces which may be applied may be various forms of forced migration (deportation, population transfer), intimidation, as well as genocide and genocidal rape.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

Ethnic cleansing, the attempt to create ethnically homogeneous geographic areas through the deportation or forcible displacement of persons belonging to particular ethnic groups. Ethnic cleansing sometimes involves the removal of all physical vestiges of the targeted group through the destruction of monuments, cemeteries, and houses of worship.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/ethnic-cleansing

Just a little mild ethnic cleansing? Ethnic cleansing lite? Low-calorie ethnic cleansing? Am I being unfair to Trump?

[pErvinalia]

I don't know enough about it to say whether he is engaged in ethnic cleansing or not. It seems to me that Trump isn't an ideologue of that sort, and mainly does things that serve one purpose - to bolster his ego (by encouraging his supporters). But there's no doubt that white supremacists are emboldened by Trump.

[Sean Hayden]

No, you're being a good little pamphleteer.

Anyone interested in the diversity of the US and why it is not close to practicing ethnic cleansing is encouraged to look into it. Seabass's own group --his self-identification-- is the fastest growing in the US. He, scared of finding himself on a train to be gassed, actually lives in California. Have you ever been to California?

In Texas, well, yeah,

My own kids' mother is Arab, and lord knows nothing gets'em riled up like a good Arab mooslamic family! But this is actually quite common in the US. The changing demographics shit all over this fear mongering.

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But yeah, fuck Trump and the psycho shit-supremacists that love his signaling.

[Seabass]

No, you're being a good little pamphleteer.

Anyone interested in the diversity of the US and why it is not close to practicing ethnic cleansing is encouraged to look into it. Seabass's own group --his self-identification-- is the fastest growing in the US. He, scared of finding himself on a train to be gassed, actually lives in California. Have you ever been to California?

In Texas, well, yeah,

My own kids' mother is Arab, and lord knows nothing gets'em riled up like a good Arab mooslamic family! But this is actually quite common in the US. The changing demographics shit all over this fear mongering.

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But yeah, fuck Trump and the psycho shit-supremacists that love his signaling.

No, I'm not afraid of being gassed. But I do worry about my family being harassed by ICE or racist bullies.

And shit like this really, really bothers me:

[Seabass]

I don't know enough about it to say whether he is engaged in ethnic cleansing or not. It seems to me that Trump isn't an ideologue of that sort, and mainly does things that serve one purpose - to bolster his ego (by encouraging his supporters). But there's no doubt that white supremacists are emboldened by Trump.

I think he's a racist. Not on the level of say, a KKK grand wizard, obviously. But I do think he clearly believes white people and Christians are better. Not that he's put a great deal of thought into it. He's obviously extremely shallow, and probably just looks at Europe and the Middle East and just assumes it must be the "Judeo Christian" stuff. He also hires racists like Stephen Miller and Chris Kobach, and watches racist polemicists like Tucker Carson and Laura Ingraham. Changes to our immigration policies over the last 3 years have reflected that.

[Sean Hayden]

No, you're being a good little pamphleteer.

Anyone interested in the diversity of the US and why it is not close to practicing ethnic cleansing is encouraged to look into it. Seabass's own group --his self-identification-- is the fastest growing in the US. He, scared of finding himself on a train to be gassed, actually lives in California. Have you ever been to California?

In Texas, well, yeah,

My own kids' mother is Arab, and lord knows nothing gets'em riled up like a good Arab mooslamic family! But this is actually quite common in the US. The changing demographics shit all over this fear mongering.

--//--

But yeah, fuck Trump and the psycho shit-supremacists that love his signaling.

No, I'm not afraid of being gassed. But I do worry about my family being harassed by ICE or racist bullies.

And shit like this really, really bothers me:

Yeah, you and everybody else. That doesn't excuse misleading people about the state of things.

[pErvinalia]

If you look at it from a wider perspective, you can easily view America as a failing empire. There's going to be all sorts of social upheavals as a consequence of the 1% trying to maintain their power and wealth. As Brian would say, othering is going to be a stock tactic in distracting the population from what's really going on. And throw in the insane militia ethic you've got there, and shit could go really wrong quite easilty.

[Seabass]

No, you're being a good little pamphleteer.

Anyone interested in the diversity of the US and why it is not close to practicing ethnic cleansing is encouraged to look into it. Seabass's own group --his self-identification-- is the fastest growing in the US. He, scared of finding himself on a train to be gassed, actually lives in California. Have you ever been to California?

In Texas, well, yeah,

My own kids' mother is Arab, and lord knows nothing gets'em riled up like a good Arab mooslamic family! But this is actually quite common in the US. The changing demographics shit all over this fear mongering.

--//--

But yeah, fuck Trump and the psycho shit-supremacists that love his signaling.

No, I'm not afraid of being gassed. But I do worry about my family being harassed by ICE or racist bullies.

And shit like this really, really bothers me:

Yeah, you and everybody else. That doesn't excuse misleading people about the state of things.

No, not everybody else. About half the country is apparently fine with it. And I haven't mislead anyone.

[Seabass]

If you look at it from a wider perspective, you can easily view America as a failing empire. There's going to be all sorts of social upheavals as a consequence of the 1% trying to maintain their power and wealth. As Brian would say, othering is going to be a stock tactic in distracting the population from what's really going on. And throw in the insane militia ethic you've got there, and shit could go really wrong quite easilty.

And much of white America is obviously having a freak out over changing demographics. The Republican party will become more extreme. More and more nutjobs are going to lose it as white people become a minority.

[Sean Hayden]

No, you're being a good little pamphleteer.

Anyone interested in the diversity of the US and why it is not close to practicing ethnic cleansing is encouraged to look into it. Seabass's own group --his self-identification-- is the fastest growing in the US. He, scared of finding himself on a train to be gassed, actually lives in California. Have you ever been to California?

In Texas, well, yeah,

My own kids' mother is Arab, and lord knows nothing gets'em riled up like a good Arab mooslamic family! But this is actually quite common in the US. The changing demographics shit all over this fear mongering.

--//--

But yeah, fuck Trump and the psycho shit-supremacists that love his signaling.

No, I'm not afraid of being gassed. But I do worry about my family being harassed by ICE or racist bullies.

And shit like this really, really bothers me:

Yeah, you and everybody else. That doesn't excuse misleading people about the state of things.

No, not everybody else. About half the country is apparently fine with it. And I haven't mislead anyone.

No, half the country isn't fine with ethnic cleansing. You won't bother to support that either. All you can do is claim that people that voted for Trump are fine with it, but that is just a lie. By that reasoning I'm fine with it too given I voted for a man that deported even more people. What, massive deportation isn't ethnic cleansing?

Says you bud, says you.

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Of course all this bs can be avoided through an honest conversation taking into account what people actually believe, want, and do etc. Republicans want more secure borders. Them, and all the other civilized countries too.

I want open borders, but I'm not sure how to make it work.

[Seabass]

Deporting undocumented immigrants isn't ethnic cleansing. There's a bit more to it than that. See above.

Obama didn't put a white supremacist in charge of immigration. Obama didn't do all the other shit that Trump has done. What Obama did was enforce US immigration laws as they exist while trying to move Congress to reform our immigration laws. When that failed, he said fuck it and passed DACA.

Reasonable people can debate whether or not Obama needed to be such a hardass on immigration, but it is ridiculous to put him and Trump in the same universe when it comes to xenophobia, racism, and treatment of immigrants.

Plus, Trump ran on xenophobia. He called Mexican immigrants rapists and murderers and said he'd ban Muslims. Even if you think Obama was too hard on immigrants, there's no way you could have known he'd deport that many since he didn't campaign on it.

[pErvinalia]

I want open borders

Did you have to say that? Now Cunt will finally have someone to point to when he claims lefties want open borders.

[Sean Hayden]

Actually, it may be the backlash against Obama's first term when he allowed ICE to expand that has made Trump's attempts fail.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.co ... 1564824601

Biden has recently called their deportation record a mistake.

I think Clinton may have deported even more than them all.

You haven't shown ethnic cleansing either, that was the point of the absurd comparison to deportation by me. But, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it is in fact considered such.

--see above--

You mean that gish gallop, no thanks.