All Things Trump: Is it over yet?
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?
The Australian governments, Federal and state, have never "propagated the 'masks are bad' smear". They have merely said what the medical consensus is; that they are unnecessary for the general public except in certain limited circumstances. It may well be that this dovetails with keeping the majority of the limited number available for medical personnel, but the 2 reasons can both be correct.
And there have been many reports of shipments of masks from China, as "goodwill gestures" come propaganda are faulty.
And there have been many reports of shipments of masks from China, as "goodwill gestures" come propaganda are faulty.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?
Nah, man. The Australian authorities are in on it too. Gotta be.
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I would find this more believable if you could show me examples of CCP propaganda, which would show that you do recognize it, at least sometimes.JimC wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:35 amThe Australian governments, Federal and state, have never "propagated the 'masks are bad' smear". They have merely said what the medical consensus is; that they are unnecessary for the general public except in certain limited circumstances. It may well be that this dovetails with keeping the majority of the limited number available for medical personnel, but the 2 reasons can both be correct.
And there have been many reports of shipments of masks from China, as "goodwill gestures" come propaganda are faulty.
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True? According to Snopes readily proven correct.
It quotes an announcement signed by State Secretary Pompeo, and dated Secretary February 4, 2020, which reads in part:
Pompeo also tweeted about it.This week the State Department has facilitated the transportation of nearly 17.8 tons of donated medical supplies to the Chinese people, including masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials. These donations are a testament to the generosity of the American people.
Today, the United States government is announcing it is prepared to spend up to $100 million in existing funds to assist China and other impacted countries, both directly and through multilateral organizations, to contain and combat the novel coronavirus.
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You neglected to include the obligatory mention of sex crimes and subsequent attempts to cover them up by the biased media.L'Emmerdeur wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:10 amNah, man. The Australian authorities are in on it too. Gotta be.
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You also can't or wont cite examples of CCP propaganda. May I ask why?Hermit wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:47 amYou neglected to include the obligatory mention of sex crimes and subsequent attempts to cover them up by the biased media.L'Emmerdeur wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:10 amNah, man. The Australian authorities are in on it too. Gotta be.
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As the actress said to the bishop, it's bigger than I'd realised.Hermit wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:47 amYou neglected to include the obligatory mention of sex crimes and subsequent attempts to cover them up by the biased media.L'Emmerdeur wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:10 amNah, man. The Australian authorities are in on it too. Gotta be.
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While you're doing such a stellar job keeping us up to date with examples of CCP propaganda there really is no need for me to do that.Cunt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:49 amYou also can't or wont cite examples of CCP propaganda. May I ask why?Hermit wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:47 amYou neglected to include the obligatory mention of sex crimes and subsequent attempts to cover them up by the biased media.L'Emmerdeur wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:10 amNah, man. The Australian authorities are in on it too. Gotta be.
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Are people really going to vote for this guy who can't remember what he was doing a little over a month ago?
'Trump Can’t Recall Any Campaign Rallies in Feb, March When Reporter Asks If He Downplayed Coronavirus Risk (There Were Six)'

'Trump Can’t Recall Any Campaign Rallies in Feb, March When Reporter Asks If He Downplayed Coronavirus Risk (There Were Six)'
President Donald Trump came down with a severe case of selective amnesia at his White House coronavirus briefing, pretending that he could not recall any of the six campaign rallies he held during February and March, when world public health officials were warning about the serious risk of coronavirus.
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When Alcindor finally got a word in edgewise, she correctly pointed out “you held rallies in February and in March.” The Trump campaign held rallies on Feb. 10, 19, 20, 21, and 28, as well as one on March 2nd.
“I don’t know about rallies. I really don’t know about rallies,” Trump said, a ludicrously false claim. “I know one thing, I haven’t left the White House in months, except for a brief moment to give a wonderful ship, the [USNS] Comfort…”
“You held a rally in March,” Alcindor again said, noting an indisputable fact.
“I don’t know, did I hold a rally?” Trump said, waving his arms in a brazen attempt at ducking reality. “I’m sorry, I hold a rally. Did I hold a rally?”
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Yabbut Jussi Smollet. And CCP. And NBL. And NPC. And...L'Emmerdeur wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:27 amAre people really going to vote for this guy who can't remember what he was doing a little over a month ago?![]()
'Trump Can’t Recall Any Campaign Rallies in Feb, March When Reporter Asks If He Downplayed Coronavirus Risk (There Were Six)'
President Donald Trump came down with a severe case of selective amnesia at his White House coronavirus briefing, pretending that he could not recall any of the six campaign rallies he held during February and March, when world public health officials were warning about the serious risk of coronavirus.
...
When Alcindor finally got a word in edgewise, she correctly pointed out “you held rallies in February and in March.” The Trump campaign held rallies on Feb. 10, 19, 20, 21, and 28, as well as one on March 2nd.
“I don’t know about rallies. I really don’t know about rallies,” Trump said, a ludicrously false claim. “I know one thing, I haven’t left the White House in months, except for a brief moment to give a wonderful ship, the [USNS] Comfort…”
“You held a rally in March,” Alcindor again said, noting an indisputable fact.
“I don’t know, did I hold a rally?” Trump said, waving his arms in a brazen attempt at ducking reality. “I’m sorry, I hold a rally. Did I hold a rally?”
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 6929332714April 20, 2020 (Monday)
There was a moment in President Herbert Hoover’s term when it began to seem as if he could do nothing right. When he was elected in 1928 with 58.2% of the vote to his opponent’s 40.8%, Americans thought their prosperity was inexhaustible, and they credited Hoover and his Republican Party for that prosperity. Then the stock market crashed in 1929 and sparked the Great Depression. At first, people hoped Hoover could handle the crisis. But he couldn’t, and his party lectured that the government needed to reassure investors rather than help ordinary people. Americans turned on Hoover. Eventually, they claimed that dogs instinctively disliked him and flowers wilted when he walked by. By the end of his term, people blamed him for everything, even things outside his control.
The story of how the tide turned against Hoover came to mind today, as one story after another skewered President Trump.
There were three big stories during the day. The first was the lockdown protests around the country, which appear to have been orchestrated by Trump supporters to mobilize key right-wing groups. Their goal is not to defend the president, but to make it look like Democrats are unpopular—a key distinction showing just how weak a hand Trump’s campaign thinks he currently holds.
We knew the Michigan protests were organized by groups largely funded by Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos’s family, and that the activist groups FreedomWorks was behind others. Today we learned that five of the largest Facebook groups protesting restrictions were set up by Chris, Ben, Aaron, and Matthew Dorr, four brothers whose pro-gun and anti-abortion Facebook groups bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. The brothers not only solicit donations and memberships in their enterprises, but also harvest emails and user data. Minnesota’s Senate Republican Caucus called them “scammers.” Ben Dorr says claims that his work is a scam is “fake news” and that he will continue doing what he does.
Despite being pushed by personalities on the Fox News Channel, and despite the president’s encouragement, the protests have not been well attended. Most Americans do not feel safe ending physical distancing until there is enough testing to identify and shut down hot spots before they spread, and we are still woefully short of tests. A recent poll shows that 60% of Americans oppose the protests, while only 22% support them. Even Republicans oppose the protests, 47% to 36%. Only 25% of Americans agree with Trump’s tweets calling for people to “LIBERATE” Michigan, Minnesota, and Virginia, all states with Democratic governors.
Another story today got more traction than the protests. The clamor over the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) is growing, as it appears much of the money went to large corporations rather than the small businesses it was supposed to help. A company based in California has already filed a class-action lawsuit against the Wells Fargo bank charging it with prioritizing businesses applying for large amounts rather than processing them on a first-come, first-served basis, as the government established was the correct procedure.
Restaurant and hotel chains did particularly well in the program, and Shake Shack, which is worth more than $1.5 billion, is returning the $10 million it received. Its founder and CEO both said they had no idea the program would run out of money and understood why people were upset. “If this act were written for small businesses,” they wrote in an online letter, “how is it possible that so many independent restaurants whose employees needed just as much help were unable to receive funding?”
Although it was money not allocated through the PPP, almost $8.7 million in federal aid for coronavirus relief will go to Harvard despite its $40 billion endowment. Harvard says its endowment is largely restricted in the way it can be used, and that the coronavirus has caused “substantial costs” to colleges and universities.
Taken together, these stories of the coronavirus relief package reinforce that people think Trump’s government is protecting the wealthy at the expense of ordinary Americans. The letter from the heads of Shake Shack shows a keen sense of which way the wind is blowing.
A third big story was the dramatic collapse of the price of oil. The worldwide economic shutdown has killed the demand for oil, while a production war between Saudi Arabia and Russia has flooded the market. Today, briefly, the price of oil futures went into the negative numbers, an astonishing and unprecedented event that bodes ill in the short term for the U.S. economy. Although the oil markets have been almost entirely outside of Trump’s control, this price crash reflected badly on him because he had publicized as a personal victory an April 12 agreement between Russia and Saudi Arabia, along with other oil producing nations, that was supposed to prop up the price of oil and save American jobs.
Obviously, it did neither, but I thought of Hoover and his wilting flowers when Bob McNally, the head of the Rapidan Energy Group, tweeted that nothing like this price collapse has ever happened before, not even in the Depression or the early years of the Civil War, the lowest points for petroleum before this. Since the first commercial oil well in the United States was drilled in 1859, and the Civil War began in 1861, it seems a bit of a stretch to hang that crisis around Trump’s neck.
Apparently, I am not alone in thinking that people are turning against the president. After the day's three big stories, tonight, just after 10:00 pm, Trump tweeted: “In light of the attack from the Invisible Enemy, as well as the need to protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens, I will be signing an Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States!” It is not clear that such an Executive Order would be either legal or possible, but that’s not the point: immigration restriction is the key issue that has always rallied Trump’s base to him. That he has thrown this into the mix late in the night in the midst of a pandemic that is collapsing the economy suggests he is worried that his supporters are sliding away.
It also suggests that, as pressure mounts, he will continue to test the boundaries of his power.
Finally, news broke late tonight that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is gravely ill after surgery on April 12 to address cardiovascular issues brought on by “excessive smoking, obesity, and overwork,” according to an online newspaper based in South Korea. He has missed a number of important public events, but it is entirely possible that this information is wrong, according to experts. It is simply too hard to get information out of North Korea to know for sure.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?
In my recent experience people with masks on act as if they're made of Adamantium - and even though it's very kind of them to take steps to prevent me from being infected by them I can hardly reciprocate if they don't keep their distance.
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Nope. Sweden did not take full measures. The government advised people to stay at home and closed all schools except primary schools. How many deaths did it cost we will never know.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:35 pmSweden.Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:51 amWhere is the evidence? Which country in Europe has not taken any measures? Do we have a null position?Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:15 amYeah, it's only the success of those measures that give people the impression that the measure weren't needed.![]()
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You don't know how science works. Epidemics have been studied and modelled since the germ theory of medicine. Certain known factors like how contagious an infection is, how likely it is to kill you if you get it, its distribution in the population at any given time, and/or population densities etc can be plugged into those models. The models give a range of possible outcomes but they're not predictive in the absolute sense of providing a crystal ball into the future.
Now let's pretend you're personally responsible for public health and you're presented with a range of predictions like, say, the Oxford model which suggests Covid-19 will produce a sudden spike in infections and death that will rapidly tail off as people either die or acquire immunity (the so-called sombrero curve) or the Imperial model, which suggest an exponential rise to a point where infection and mortality rates reach a point of stasis before slowly tailing off as people die or become immune or the population shrinks (the so-called plateau curve). The Oxford model suggests more death in the short term but fewer deaths overall, and the Imperial model suggests, well, the end of society as we know it. So do you apply the cautionary principle in the hope of avoiding the worse-case scenario, or do you cross your fingers and hope that the softer predictions turn out to be the case? Or, in your instance, do you put off making a decision and whinny on about how nobody can know anything about anything and pretend that as long as it doesn't touch you personally it doesn't really exist?

Now let's pretend you're personally responsible for public health and you're presented with a range of predictions like, say, the Oxford model which suggests Covid-19 will produce a sudden spike in infections and death that will rapidly tail off as people either die or acquire immunity (the so-called sombrero curve) or the Imperial model, which suggest an exponential rise to a point where infection and mortality rates reach a point of stasis before slowly tailing off as people die or become immune or the population shrinks (the so-called plateau curve). The Oxford model suggests more death in the short term but fewer deaths overall, and the Imperial model suggests, well, the end of society as we know it. So do you apply the cautionary principle in the hope of avoiding the worse-case scenario, or do you cross your fingers and hope that the softer predictions turn out to be the case? Or, in your instance, do you put off making a decision and whinny on about how nobody can know anything about anything and pretend that as long as it doesn't touch you personally it doesn't really exist?

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Our ABC shows a few minutes of his press conferences live from time to time and I can't believe how shambolic they are. Trump never lets the reporter finish their question. He just interrupts and then goes of on some wild rant.L'Emmerdeur wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:27 amAre people really going to vote for this guy who can't remember what he was doing a little over a month ago?![]()
'Trump Can’t Recall Any Campaign Rallies in Feb, March When Reporter Asks If He Downplayed Coronavirus Risk (There Were Six)'
President Donald Trump came down with a severe case of selective amnesia at his White House coronavirus briefing, pretending that he could not recall any of the six campaign rallies he held during February and March, when world public health officials were warning about the serious risk of coronavirus.
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When Alcindor finally got a word in edgewise, she correctly pointed out “you held rallies in February and in March.” The Trump campaign held rallies on Feb. 10, 19, 20, 21, and 28, as well as one on March 2nd.
“I don’t know about rallies. I really don’t know about rallies,” Trump said, a ludicrously false claim. “I know one thing, I haven’t left the White House in months, except for a brief moment to give a wonderful ship, the [USNS] Comfort…”
“You held a rally in March,” Alcindor again said, noting an indisputable fact.
“I don’t know, did I hold a rally?” Trump said, waving his arms in a brazen attempt at ducking reality. “I’m sorry, I hold a rally. Did I hold a rally?”
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