All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:12 pm

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Simple:Surgical masks will not save you from being infected. Not at all. N95 masks will. To some extent. Not completely.
Wibble, but understandable. I didn't ask a constraining enough question.

Masks are a good way to reduce virus transmission. The success of such devices is extremely well-known, and there was very little doubt of it, until the CCP and W.H.O. got together to spread a story that discouraged their use.

When you hear someone wibbling about it, it's like hearing someone wibble on the efficacy of vaccines, because if they aren't used properly, they can be harmful.
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Post by Tero » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:28 pm

You can measure the particles (aspartame in water is used). An n95 mask stops 95% of them. A surgical mask does what it is supposed to do: stops doctor spit from reaching a patient.

I don't know what your question is so I answered the obvious one. And it is mainly bacteria they stop. Bacteria are bigger.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:32 pm

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You can measure the particles (aspartame in water is used). An n95 mask stops 95% of them. A surgical mask does what it is supposed to do: stops doctor spit from reaching a patient.

I don't know what your question is so I answered the obvious one.
Oh, I didn't ask a question. It's clear to the whole world, that masks help.

The only people who aren't clearly on the right side of that opinion, have been convinced by the CCP / W.H.O. propaganda campaign.

Why not apply that 'logic' to other medical devices, like gloves, or vaccines?
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:34 pm

Vaccines are not comparable to masks and gloves.

What is it that you want to misinform and distract us about? That Trump is not to blame, WHO is?

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:40 pm

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Vaccines are not comparable to masks and gloves.

What is it that you want to misinform and distract us about? That Trump is not to blame, WHO is?
Masks, gloves and vaccines ALL are similar, in that used properly, they reduce transmission of disease.

ALL can be misused. That is how they compare, and their treatment by media is illustrative.

W.H.O. is firmly directed by China's CCP. Is that at all bothersome to you? Or is it fine as long as it makes Trump look bad?
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:55 pm

Yeah vaccines are not gloves. If you can make bike inner tubes you can make gloves.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:42 pm

Tero wrote:
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Tero wrote:
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Yeah the surgical masks are mostly useless for the ininfected. But with now some 1 million infected people walking around, who do not know they are infected, it makes a difference. For one, the hassle of masks and shopping makes them plan less shopping trips.
Why be mealy-mouthed?

Are masks good, or not?

The health authorities tried to say they weren't good, to cover their shortage, but now are offering an opposite opinion.

We see them doing it. Best not to forget.

Now, what is the latest development, and how can we blame it on Trump and his racism?
Simple:Surgical masks will not save you from being infected. Not at all.
Yes they will if infection comes from contact and touching your mouth/nose. And in any case, SD was talking about all masks (being some sort of giant conspiracy).
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by JimC » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:12 am

Masks are by no means full protection, but a population wearing them when they go out in public should at least have a somewhat lower rate of transmission than one with no masks, all other things being equal. Here in Oz, our numbers are very good at the moment - widespread mask use would probably make only a minute difference. In NY, maybe wiser...
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:33 am

Tero wrote:
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Yeah vaccines are not gloves. If you can make bike inner tubes you can make gloves.
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Masks, gloves and vaccines ALL are similar, in that used properly, they reduce transmission of disease.

ALL can be misused. That is how they compare
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:38 am

How soon we forget. How soon afterward we construct a Dagwood sandwich.

'The US Surgeon General once warned against wearing face masks for the coronavirus but the CDC now recommends it'
US officials including Surgeon General Jerome Adams and Vice President Mike Pence have urged people against buying and wearing masks to protect themselves from the new coronavirus.

In an interview on Fox News' "Fox & Friends" on Monday, Adams said wearing face masks could actually increase a person's risk of contracting the coronavirus.

"You can increase your risk of getting it by wearing a mask if you are not a health care provider," Adams said. "Folks who don't know how to wear them properly tend to touch their faces a lot and actually can increase the spread of coronavirus," he added.

Adams' comments Monday reiterate his blaring tweet from the weekend, urging people to "STOP BUYING MASKS." He said that they were "NOT effective" to the general public and noted that the increased demand in masks puts medical professionals at risk.
The one benefit of the public wearing masks in this instance is preventing personal droplets from escaping. To whatever extent, that becomes significant when personal distancing is not observed.

It's not as if the WHO was conspiring with the Red Menace to make the world vulnerable to the bug. The US government's highest ranked medical professional and the Vice President (at least nominally in charge of the US response to the bug) were in consensus with the WHO on the question. Now we have to tie them and the rest of the US administration into the evil cabal. This is getting juicy.

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Post by Cunt » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:50 am

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It's not as if the WHO was conspiring with the Red Menace to make the world vulnerable to the bug.
I don't know why they gave that bewildering advice, other than for non-medical reasons.

I don't know why they speak so carefully about Taiwan, despite knowing that it makes them look like they are in thrall to the CCP.

Motivations are fun to speculate about, but all I do know is random shitheels have recommended against condoms for shitty reasons, against vaccines for shitty reasons, and masks for shitty reasons.

If their explanation protects their asses, I probably won't be convinced.


The US government's highest ranked medical professional and the Vice President (at least nominally in charge of the US response to the bug) were in consensus with the WHO on the question. Now we have to tie them and the rest of the US administration into the evil cabal. This is getting juicy.

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It IS getting juicy.

I think, unfortunately, it isn't the kind of juicy that means good.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:20 am


L'Emmerdeur wrote:
... and noted that the increased demand in masks puts medical professionals at risk.
I suspect this is the real reason, and a number of governments, including ours here, have admitted as much.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:25 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:20 am
L'Emmerdeur wrote:
... and noted that the increased demand in masks puts medical professionals at risk.
I suspect this is the real reason, and a number of governments, including ours here, have admitted such.
Did your government propagate the 'masks are bad' smear, while shipping masks to China?

Because that would have terrible optics. Canada did it, and I'm pretty stoked to see if anyone notices or cares.
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