The Trump Pandemic

[pErvinalia]

Yeah, I call BS. Pelosi has virtually no power with Trump and Mitch holding back any legislation. Actions as individual, whether Trump or Pelosi, are trivial. Trump's tweets and attitudes even have little meaning if he actually did the job of a president. But aside from a wall and Republican pet projects (abortion, handout to business), Trump wants the feds to do as little as possible. And now they are called to act.

He stopped travel and Pelosi called it racist...

He did it just days after being briefed...

He assembled a team and you mocked the VP...

The CDC followed protocol and you claimed he rejected WHO tests...

Well something went wrong somewhere. Look at your infections and deaths per million. They are ugly numbers.

[Sean Hayden]

Yeah, I call BS. Pelosi has virtually no power with Trump and Mitch holding back any legislation. Actions as individual, whether Trump or Pelosi, are trivial. Trump's tweets and attitudes even have little meaning if he actually did the job of a president. But aside from a wall and Republican pet projects (abortion, handout to business), Trump wants the feds to do as little as possible. And now they are called to act.

He stopped travel and Pelosi called it racist...

He did it just days after being briefed...

He assembled a team and you mocked the VP...

The CDC followed protocol and you claimed he rejected WHO tests...

Well something went wrong somewhere. Look at your infections and deaths per million. They are ugly numbers.

I think that's just awful reasoning. That something happened is true enough, obviously, a pandemic. Why some places are hit harder than others is a big question, a difficult question, a scientific question, and one I'm betting can't be answered playing the blame game.

So, why is the US seeing higher numbers?

Trump

F --see me after class.

[JimC]

Yeah, I call BS. Pelosi has virtually no power with Trump and Mitch holding back any legislation. Actions as individual, whether Trump or Pelosi, are trivial. Trump's tweets and attitudes even have little meaning if he actually did the job of a president. But aside from a wall and Republican pet projects (abortion, handout to business), Trump wants the feds to do as little as possible. And now they are called to act.

He stopped travel and Pelosi called it racist...

He did it just days after being briefed...

He assembled a team and you mocked the VP...

The CDC followed protocol and you claimed he rejected WHO tests...

Well something went wrong somewhere. Look at your infections and deaths per million. They are ugly numbers.

I think that's just awful reasoning. That something happened is true enough, obviously, a pandemic. Why some places are hit harder than others is a big question, a difficult question, a scientific question, and one I'm betting can't be answered playing the blame game.

So, why is the US seeing higher numbers?

Trump

F --see me after class.

A blame game simply has to be part of it. Government structures all over the world have stuffed up on this, some much more than others. Note that pErvinalia said "something went wrong", not specifically Trump. I know you are pushing back against those who tend simply to blame Trump, end of story, and clearly there will be multiple other factors, but there are enough clear faults that can be legitimately laid at his door. Do you honestly think that the actions (or in many cases the inactions) of your current administration had no impact on your current predicament?

[Sean Hayden]

Absolutely not. I understand our need to drive change in politics. But I don't think we're very good at recognizing when we've allowed our political stories to replace reality. Such a problem could help explain why seemingly great policy often fails to deliver i.e. you've mistaken your political story which you use to drive change for how shit works.

[Cunt]

Why weren't medical supplies stockpiled?

That one should point at some clear policy problems. Enough money lying around for every pudgy asshole who can squeeze into spandex to enter 100 dollar races, so it isn't a lack of resources...

Where did information-sharing fail, and why?

Normally, I wouldn't think of this kind of thing, but seeing how the CCP misinformed the world, and how large orgs like WHO parroted their talking points, it has me wondering about disinformation.

How damaging was that 'don't wear masks' horseshit? Or pushing the 'no human - to - human transmission' so late?

I'm guessing that the CCP will end up paying for their part.

Scary to think of how payment will be collected.

[L'Emmerdeur]

He stopped travel and Pelosi called it racist...

I'll assume you're talking about the travel restrictions applied to China. That Pelosi called them racist is the Trump narrative, and I'm surprised you repeated it without checking. I don't know if you have a source for this claim, but I was unable to find anything to back it up. Pelosi did object to an extension of his previous travel ban (the version of the 'Muslim ban' that eventually got put in place) that occurred during the same period.

Two different travel restrictions: One targeted China and was in response to the disease outbreak, the other targeted at 'shithole' countries, in response to, well, we don't like that sort. Even then, I don't find anything about Pelosi using the term 'racist.' She described it as discrimination.

'Pelosi: Trump's expanded travel ban is "outrageous, un-American" and threatens "rule of law"

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) ripped President Trump’s expanded travel ban after he included six other countries to the list of those that will face increased travel restrictions.

“The Trump Administration’s expansion of its outrageous, un-American travel ban threatens our security, our values and the rule of law. The sweeping rule, barring more than 350 million individuals from predominantly African nations from traveling to the United States, is discrimination disguised as policy,” Pelosi said in a statement.

“With this latest callous decision, the President has doubled down on his cruelty and further undermined our global leadership, our Constitution and our proud heritage as a nation of immigrants,” she added.

The statement comes after the Trump administration announced it would restrict the ability of immigrants from Nigeria, Myanmar, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, Sudan and Tanzania to get certain immigration visas. The new policy does not amount to a blanket travel ban.

[Sean Hayden]

No, that was just me being stupid. I had not in fact checked that claim. Thanks for the correction.

[Cunt]

What was important to Pelosi, as far as her powers go, in the early part of 2020?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... 7D&s=1&r=1

This bill imposes limitations on the President's authority to suspend or restrict aliens from entering the United States and terminates certain presidential actions implementing such restrictions. It also prohibits religious discrimination in various immigration-related decisions, such as whether to issue an immigrant or non-immigrant visa, unless there is a statutory basis for such discrimination.

Pelosi focused on ending discrimination. Hope she is doing what her voters want, during a pandemic.

[Brian Peacock]

Absolutely not. I understand our need to drive change in politics. But I don't think we're very good at recognizing when we've allowed our political stories to replace reality. Such a problem could help explain why seemingly great policy often fails to deliver i.e. you've mistaken your political story which you use to drive change for how shit works.

This is a pandemic. I think that's worth repeating. I think we somehow assume that, because 'everything happens for a reason', this happened because somebody, some organisation, some nation, or even some clandestine entity secretly controlling the arc of history for nefarious purposes etc, are somehow personally to blame - that the outbreak was caused via human agency. Humans don't cause viruses. So sure, we should scrutinise those with the power to act, and even argue that this-or-that would have been or perhaps is a better option given what we do and do not know of the situation, but at a fundamental level this is a complex and chaotic set of circumstances for which there was and is no optimal response that negates the infection, its spread, or its consequences. We start from where we are now everyday with this thing, and hopefully out of examining all the things we tried and didn't try we learn some lessons about what works and what doesn't for next time.

[pErvinalia]

Yeah, I call BS. Pelosi has virtually no power with Trump and Mitch holding back any legislation. Actions as individual, whether Trump or Pelosi, are trivial. Trump's tweets and attitudes even have little meaning if he actually did the job of a president. But aside from a wall and Republican pet projects (abortion, handout to business), Trump wants the feds to do as little as possible. And now they are called to act.

He stopped travel and Pelosi called it racist...

He did it just days after being briefed...

He assembled a team and you mocked the VP...

The CDC followed protocol and you claimed he rejected WHO tests...

Well something went wrong somewhere. Look at your infections and deaths per million. They are ugly numbers.

I think that's just awful reasoning. That something happened is true enough, obviously, a pandemic. Why some places are hit harder than others is a big question, a difficult question, a scientific question, and one I'm betting can't be answered playing the blame game.

So, why is the US seeing higher numbers?

Trump

F --see me after class.

Well I didn't say it was Trump. But there's clearly something going wrong in your country, the same as there was something going wrong in Italy and Spain and the UK. We might not know for absolute certain, and if that's what you need to be convinced then you are never going to be convinced. I strongly suspect it's a mix of your fucked healthcare, fucked worker protections and fucked President. Most other countries that have done ok out of this don't have those three things. Coincidence, perhaps, but as I said before to you, parsimony dude. Sometimes a fucking duck is a fucking duck.

[NineBerry]

nineberry: Companies? Like energy?

No, it started with fast food joints and then there were also technology companies. It went on for minutes

[Tero]

Crappy antibody tests out there. You had covid19 or common cold.
They did not mean "causing" they meant the virus antibodies "confused" the testing kit. Both viruses gave a hit.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/c ... index.html

[NineBerry]

No, the text is correct.

some of the tests might confuse

"the coronavirus (that is) causing the current pandemic"

with

"one of several conronaviruses that cause the common cold"

[Tero]

OK

[Tero]

Who funding repeal a no brainer: two of Trump's favorite scapegoats and enemies involved: China and Obama
https://www.newsweek.com/how-bush-obama ... us-1497667