The Trump Pandemic

[Tero]

In 'not-really-news', both Seabass AND Tero are opposed to Trump.

Citing the usual sources, these two guys beat on that drum. What were their Democrats doing during February?

Was it stopping the covid? Or were they still stalling/timing their 'articles of impeachment' theatrical production?

I answered this already: Congress (Democrats) does legislation and funding. The president is solely responsible for all govt departments and the bulk of federal employees. Like Bush said: I'm the executor.

Yes he said that.

[Brian Peacock]

Yes. Of course. Anyone critical of Trump instantly disqualifies their opinions, points, arguments on the grounds that it demonstrates they're unfairly prejudiced against him - and anyone who points that out automatically stakes a claim to being more rational, reasonable, and fair-minded than the critics.

Christ. It's like the Hitler youth for toddlers round here sometimes.

[Tero]

[Cunt]

In 'not-really-news', both Seabass AND Tero are opposed to Trump.

Citing the usual sources, these two guys beat on that drum. What were their Democrats doing during February?

Was it stopping the covid? Or were they still stalling/timing their 'articles of impeachment' theatrical production?

I answered this already: Congress (Democrats) does legislation and funding. The president is solely responsible for all govt departments and the bulk of federal employees. Like Bush said: I'm the executor.

Yes he said that.

So if Pelosi was urging people to go party, that's on Trump too?

[Seabass]

[Tero]

In 'not-really-news', both Seabass AND Tero are opposed to Trump.

Citing the usual sources, these two guys beat on that drum. What were their Democrats doing during February?

Was it stopping the covid? Or were they still stalling/timing their 'articles of impeachment' theatrical production?

I answered this already: Congress (Democrats) does legislation and funding. The president is solely responsible for all govt departments and the bulk of federal employees. Like Bush said: I'm the executor.

Yes he said that.

So if Pelosi was urging people to go party, that's on Trump too?

Pelosi is not relevant to coronavirus. They passed the essential funding.

Trump was in charge, he could have cut air travel much earlier. Pelosi has no such powers.

[pErvinalia]

Hey! What's that over there? ----------------------------------------------------------------> Pelosi

[Tero]

Speaking of funding...

[Sean Hayden]

One of Trump's faults was his public attitude towards the virus. Although it is worth pointing out that a press conference and gaffes are not the final word on the actual response e.g. "under control" is often mocked in hindsight despite it having been said while actions ---louder than words-- were taken to ensure it would be controlled.

Now about Tero' s claim, that Pelosi isn't fair game. It is, once again, simply more bullshit. One of Trump's faults was his public attitude. Why should another politician, one with even more influence than Trump in the public eye for many Americans escape blame if she had a similar attitude in public?

As for it being merely a distraction, again, more bullshit. Tero and Seabass are engaged in a rather absurd endeavor to blame Trump, not for everything, but it's fair to assume they think he can be blamed for a majority of what went wrong. It is reasonable then to examine what or who else might be to blame, and by how much, if only to more accurately measure by comparison Trump's blame...

....yes, you should think, how silly! What a stupid way to think! But that is precisely what it means to take this approach seriously. We are invited to consider by how much Trump is at fault. It only ceases to be silly if that's not really what Seabass and Tero intend to do, to have a serious discussion. They aren't inviting us to consider facts and to reason about what has happened and is happening. They aren't interested in uncovering reality. They're playing politics.

[Tero]

Yeah, I call BS. Pelosi has virtually no power with Trump and Mitch holding back any legislation. Actions as individual, whether Trump or Pelosi, are trivial. Trump's tweets and attitudes even have little meaning if he actually did the job of a president. But aside from a wall and Republican pet projects (abortion, handout to business), Trump wants the feds to do as little as possible. And now they are called to act.

[NineBerry]

Soll, I read cnn running in the background a couple of hours ago and there was the press conference and I suddenly paid attention because Trump was reading a list of company names. What was going on there?

[Sean Hayden]

Yeah, I call BS. Pelosi has virtually no power with Trump and Mitch holding back any legislation. Actions as individual, whether Trump or Pelosi, are trivial. Trump's tweets and attitudes even have little meaning if he actually did the job of a president. But aside from a wall and Republican pet projects (abortion, handout to business), Trump wants the feds to do as little as possible. And now they are called to act.

He stopped travel and Pelosi called it racist...

He did it just days after being briefed...

He assembled a team and you mocked the VP...

The CDC followed protocol and you claimed he rejected WHO tests...

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If we're going to discuss actions we're going to have to be honest about what happened first.

Personally I'm looking forward to when we get away from an election year can and read this more objectively.

[Tero]

nineberry: Companies? Like energy?

President Trump has been chasing a diplomatic victory, and he got one this weekend when he brokered a deal between the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) and Russia to limit their production that may also limit the bloodbath in the U.S. shale patch.
WSJ

and:

The Energy 202: Trump's oil deal may not be enough to save some U.S. oil companies

By Dino Grandoni
April 14 at 9:06 AM
with Paulina Firozi

Saudi Arabia, Russia and the United States reached a major Easter weekend deal to cork the gush of oil flooding the world market during the coronavirus pandemic. But the move may not be enough to rescue the U.S. petroleum producers most struggling to stay afloat during what is shaping up to be the biggest economic downturn to hit the oil and gas sector in decades.

Now some American oil producers are bracing for a long haul with low oil prices. They're turning to President Trump's deputies, as well as to state governments, for more help as they try to forestall bankruptcy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pow ... 01a76167c/

[JimC]

I can see that Pelosi and other Democrats should be criticised for various failings, specifically for deriding Trump's closure of travel to and from China as racist - it was one of his few correct moves. Some anti-Trump commentators may have played that down by reflex, and have perhaps ignored it's contribution to the slow action early, if those comments affected attitudes...

However, the failings (or the successes) of others does not have any effect on legitimate criticism of Trump's many failings during this crisis. There are enough of those to go round. But it's also important that criticism of other actors and structural issues be given fair play as well...

[Cunt]

Trump's pandemic is CERTAINLY responsible for the uptick in instagram yoga influencers showing their crotch shots.

Next, they'll be painting orange fingerprints on them...